Re: Cars
And now going through the headline thread- there are many things going on at the same time. Kinda hard to have a good discussion, seems to me.
So if you have a VW, here's some FYI for you- http://www.vwdieselinfo.com/
What was interesting on how I saw this going down- we were in Europe, and a lot of this is shifting the EU stance on emissions and how they test- their NEDC is more of a joke, compared to the jaded EPA75 that is the US core test. So their off cycle emissions are much worse than here. Then the EU gave easier standards to diesel as well as lower fuel tax. Which now as resulted in some serious air quality problems in Europe. Bob Lutz mentioned in one interview how he now understands his former GM engineers telling him that they could not replicate what VW was doing- as VW wasn't actually doing it.
For the US, ~500k vehicle affected. It would not be hard to hold both registration and insurance for all of them, since they are easily ID'd via the VIN. Stunning to see someone cheat like that- and like was suggested in the other thread- it's really uncommon to cheat. The penalties are just not worth it- when faced with criminal proceedings- not only are fines up for grabs, jail time can be, too. Although, many speculate that for this case, Germany will take care of what the US will want to do.
I also really wonder what the fix will be. Retrofitting a urea system would be really hard, but it's also virtually impossible to get a lean nox trap to work at the levels required.
BTW, a few times when I googled the subject- a class action lawsuit came up. Not a shocker at all.
Originally posted by alfablue
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So if you have a VW, here's some FYI for you- http://www.vwdieselinfo.com/
What was interesting on how I saw this going down- we were in Europe, and a lot of this is shifting the EU stance on emissions and how they test- their NEDC is more of a joke, compared to the jaded EPA75 that is the US core test. So their off cycle emissions are much worse than here. Then the EU gave easier standards to diesel as well as lower fuel tax. Which now as resulted in some serious air quality problems in Europe. Bob Lutz mentioned in one interview how he now understands his former GM engineers telling him that they could not replicate what VW was doing- as VW wasn't actually doing it.
For the US, ~500k vehicle affected. It would not be hard to hold both registration and insurance for all of them, since they are easily ID'd via the VIN. Stunning to see someone cheat like that- and like was suggested in the other thread- it's really uncommon to cheat. The penalties are just not worth it- when faced with criminal proceedings- not only are fines up for grabs, jail time can be, too. Although, many speculate that for this case, Germany will take care of what the US will want to do.
I also really wonder what the fix will be. Retrofitting a urea system would be really hard, but it's also virtually impossible to get a lean nox trap to work at the levels required.
BTW, a few times when I googled the subject- a class action lawsuit came up. Not a shocker at all.
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