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  • Re: Nice Planet 2011

    Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
    Somebody get Fartston an emetic, stat. This young lady is a better American than all the Fartstons, born and unborn.
    Nice middle school humor by you there. Surely you wouldn't dare follow that up by demeaning someone for doing the same sort of thing...

    Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
    Middle school sarcasm. Oh, Lordy. She's a better man than you'll ever be. And probably a better writer, too.
    Oh boy. I guess you would after all.

    Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
    Double standard much?
    Yes, demonstrated in its purest form by your posts on this subject.

    It's sad really. I happen do agree with most of your posts on other subjects in these threads. After this little charade, I must say you have lost nearly all respect I had for you. If you'd even bother to take off your blinders for a few minutes and look at the things you say to others and how you say them, you'd be ashamed (as should anyone else acting the same way, like Foxton who resorts to name-calling, etc.). I know I am.

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      Johnny, it's just hard for me to understand why you would take me to the woodshed for calling Foxton "Fartston," but remain silent when he called me "Old Pos." Is there some positive meaning for "pos?" And even if there were, it's still deliberately misrepresenting my name. Should I turn the other cheek? Probably. Sadly, that's not my nature. On that psychological continuum of Passive--Assertive--Aggressive, I too frequently skip over Assertive and get right to aggressive. Perhaps I can join Anthony Weiner in rehab. Which brings me to another of my shortcomings: my tendency to sarcasm. And I suspect too many of us take it literally, when I'm only trying to be funny. I think many posters who are "offended" by my posts claim it's the style when in fact it's the substance that offends them. I'm saying things they don't like. With which they disagree. If I posted in the same style but went after, say, Sarah Palin, I think a lot of the objections would melt away. Maybe not. Anyway, it comes down to what strikes me as a double standard. The name calling by others is "cute," Old Pio's name calling is "offensive," and indicative of some mental disturbance and certainly a lack of intellectual fire power.

      Perhaps I'm "better" or "worse" (depending on your perspective) at being agressive, I can't say. But from where I sit, one of my posts frequently results in a wave of opposing posts (generating conversation is the general idea, isn't it?) which inevitably veer away from the subject at hand to my various character flaws. Leswp, whom I'll concede is a fine person, is particularly prone to this kind of analysis, coupled with head shaking and tongue clucking. He almost certainly doesn't mean to come across like a little old lady school marm, but that's how I perceive it on occasion.

      Let me give you a relevant example of how things go around here. Last Independence Day, you posted a touching story about the old vet who came down to the waterfront and saluted. Remember? I posted that there's a lot of good in America. This was followed by a post from maybe the best we've got that what I had said was "politics," and should be avoided. On the 4th of July no less! How can any fair minded person think that? The only explantion I see is based on a prejudice ("pre judging") what I meant. I run into these prejudices just about every day. I watch Fox, I'm in love with Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, etc. I'm pro-life. I love Sarah Palin. None of it is true. I only watch cable news when they're in "wall to wall" coverage. I'm a fiscal conservative, sure, but I think that pinhead O'Reilly is a disgrace, for reasons I've explained previously.

      All of this is sounding more defensive than I intended. Let's just say I'm aware of my flaws and will work harder to control them. I'm confident I'm older than most of our posters, and may bring a perspective they don't have, on the other hand, maybe I'm "stuck in the past." I guess it's a matter of how you look at it. Anyway, I'll make a good faith effort to be less aggressive in return for a good faith effort by my colleagues at being a little less judgemental about the geezer. Okay? And thanks for taking the time to write.
      Last edited by Old Pio; 06-13-2011, 04:40 PM.
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      • Re: Nice Planet 2011

        Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
        Johnny, it's just hard for me to understand why you would take me to the woodshed for calling Foxton "Fartston," but remain silent when he called me "Old Pos." Is there some positive meaning for "pos?" And even if there were, it's still deliberately misrepresenting my name. Should I turn the other cheek? Probably. Sadly, that's not my nature. On that psychological continuum of Passive--Assertive--Aggressive, I too frequently skip over Assertive and get right to aggressive. Perhaps I can join Anthony Weiner in rehab. Which brings me to another of my shortcomings: my tendency to sarcasm. And I suspect too many of us take it literally, when I'm only trying to be funny. I think many posters who are "offended" by my posts claim it's the style when in fact it's the substance that offends them. I'm saying things they don't like. With which they disagree. If I posted in the same style but went after, say, Sarah Palin, I think a lot of the objections would melt away. Maybe not. Anyway, it comes down to what strikes me as a double standard. The name calling by others is "cute," Old Pio's name calling is "offensive," and indicative of some mental disturbance and certainly a lack of intellectual fire power.

        Perhaps I'm "better" or "worse" (depending on your perspective) at being agressive, I can't say. But from where I sit, one of my posts frequently results in a wave of opposing posts (generating conversation is the general idea, isn't it?) which inevitably veer away from the subject at hand to my various character flaws. Leswp, whom I'll concede is a fine person, is particularly prone to this kind of analysis coupled with head shaking and tongue clucking. He almost certainly doesn't mean to come across like a little old lady school marm, but that's how I perceive it on occasion.

        Let me give you a relevant example of how things go around here. Last Indepenjdence Day, you posted a touching story about the old vet who came down to the waterfront and saluted. Remember? I posted that there's a lot of good in America. This was followed by a post from maybe the best we've got that what I had said was "politics," and should be avoided. On the 4th of July no less. How can any fair minded person think that? The only explantion I see is based on a prejudice ("pre judging") what I meant. I run into these prejudices just about every day. I watch Fox, I'm in love with Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, etc. I'm pro-life. I love Sarah Palin. None of it is true. I'm a fiscal conservative, sure, but I think that pinhead O'Reilly is a disgrace, for reasons I've explained previously.

        All of this is sounding more defensive than I intended. Let's just say I'm aware of my flaws and will work harder to control them. I'm confident I'm older than most of our posters, and may bring a perspective they don't have, on the other hand, maybe I'm "stuck in the past." I guess it's a matter of how you look at it. I'll make a good faith effort to be less aggressive in return for a good faith effort by my colleagues at being a little less judgemental about the geezer. Okay? And thanks for taking the time to write.
        Pio,
        I didn't feel the need to address Foxton in my previous post because I've done so before and didn't feel the need to do so again. Also maybe because I've come to expect him to resort to childish tactics when he talks to people with opposing viewpoints. You, on the other hand, I have viewed in a much better light until recently.

        It's not in my nature to turn the other cheek, either, but when you make a point, and someone reponds by insulting you, and you respond by insulting them, then you've stooped to their level and they got exactly what they wanted. People like Foxton have a hard-on for doing that for reasons unknown to me, but that's just how they operate. Stay on point, present logical arguments and people will understand what you're trying to say. Resorting to childish actions and logical fallacies only opens the door for people to assume you realize you can't back up your point so you're taking the low road.

        I think your view on what is sarcasm on your part isn't what others would view it as at all. I could be wrong. And I'm not sure where anyone has thought calling you a name is "cute". I think there's a pretty wide acceptance around here that that sort of tactic is childish (certainly not everyone thinks that way, but most do).

        I do remember my post last year, and have thought about the incident itself numerous times-still gives me goosebumps to this day. How people on here responded to it was disgusting in my opinion. Everything has to be political with some people, and I venture to guess in most cases its solely to get a rise out of others. Mission accomplished.

        I think you make a fair bargain with your efforts to become less aggressive (Assertive: good. Aggressive: bad) in return for less judgement by others. I wouldn't hold your breath for too long, but it does say something that you plan to give it a shot.

        I feel like I'm lecturing and that's not my intent. I'm certainly in no position to do so. I did feel the need to respond to you since you took the time to put together a well thought out and effective post. Its amazing how progress can be made when things are kept civil...

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        • Re: Nice Planet 2011

          I picked up on the sarcasm!

          Old Pio: I do think that some posters jump all over you way too quickly, no matter what you post, just because you have a reputation among some here, for better or worse. This usually results in you dishing it right back to them, and all hell breaks loose. (note, this happens in the opposite order also) Add in some sarcasm that isn't picked up on, and another person calling another some questionable name and the "conversation" completely deteriorates. It is always the same formula. I would say that I fall pretty much in line with the way you think, so maybe that means I pick up your sarcasm, or something, but I usually think you get pounced on way to quickly for posting what usually starts off as a well-meaning, reasonable post. Of course, there are times when you post something so far off the wall that I just roll my eyes and wait for the flame war to start.
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          • Re: Nice Planet 2011

            Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
            Which brings me to another of my shortcomings: my tendency to sarcasm. And I suspect too many of us take it literally, when I'm only trying to be funny.
            See here's an example of sarcasm.
            http://www.theonion.com/articles/let...the-les,20525/

            You're not sarcastic, you're just incompetent. You post links or opinions usually with the same self righteous and "patriotic" flair of someone who is drastically overcompensating. Anyone who disagrees or doesn't agree to the degree with which you desire are then given passive aggressive retorts by you and if they have anything more to say that isn't a direct apology extolling how incredibly smart and right you are, you continue on to direct insults usually while claiming to have some moral high ground. One has only to look at how you've responded to Les in this thread to see an example of this.

            I do not respect you because time and again you've followed this same pattern and it's not worth giving you even a minimal level of respect because you will never return it.

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            • Re: Nice Planet 2011

              Originally posted by Foxton View Post
              See here's an example of sarcasm.
              http://www.theonion.com/articles/let...the-les,20525/

              You're not sarcastic, you're just incompetent. You post links or opinions usually with the same self righteous and "patriotic" flair of someone who is drastically overcompensating. Anyone who disagrees or doesn't agree to the degree with which you desire are then given passive aggressive retorts by you and if they have anything more to say that isn't a direct apology extolling how incredibly smart and right you are, you continue on to direct insults usually while claiming to have some moral high ground. One has only to look at how you've responded to Les in this thread to see an example of this.

              I do not respect you because time and again you've followed this same pattern and it's not worth giving you even a minimal level of respect because you will never return it.
              I guess that would be a "no" on my offer to cool the rhetoric.
              Last edited by Old Pio; 06-15-2011, 04:30 AM.
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              • Re: Nice Planet 2011

                Were you expecting different from him? I wasn't.

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                  Originally posted by johnnypohlfan View Post
                  Were you expecting different from him? I wasn't.
                  Me neither.

                  Old Pio, I wouldn't consider any of Foxton's posts a serious post. I usually just ignore everything he/she posts, since none of it is worth reading, as I'm sure you've figured out by now.
                  Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.

                  RIP - Kirby

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                  • Re: Nice Planet 2011

                    But of course, the "porn star" involved in Weinergate is represented by Gloria Allred, the most relentlessly self promoting ambulance chaser on the planet. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Just to be on the safe side, I'll do both.

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                    • Re: Nice Planet 2011

                      Here's another instance of an inconsiderate b*tch yakking on her cell phone. Unlike the last one, this babe doesn't think her race should free her from any concerns about politeness. This babe thinks she's too well educated to be bothered with shutting the eff up.

                      http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theloo...bouchon=501,ny

                      Admit it, wouldn't you just like to slap her 'till her fillings rattle?
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                      • Re: Nice Planet 2011

                        http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2150979.shtml?cat=0

                        I know this guy. He's my SIL's stepdad's kid.

                        The other side of the above story is that the girl is um, "well-built," and she told Sipe that she was 18. She also asked what he was drinking and if she could have some. I guess he admitted all the deeds to the police (except that it was consensual, not forced, sexual relations) because he believed she was 18, and didn't know why the cops were there. Until her parents/police told him otherwise. Also, he was babysitting kids of his gf's friend at the time. Kids were asleep, so him and the girl went outdoors into the woods that are next to the backyard of the residence.

                        As of right now, my bro's inlaws are letting him sit in jail, and are embarrassed/p*ed off/etc. They weren't really impressed by him anyway (he was fired from the family business twice, the latter being the last time he worked for them, etc etc etc). Not really a responsible guy.
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                        • Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                          http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2150979.shtml?cat=0

                          I know this guy. He's my SIL's stepdad's kid.

                          The other side of the above story is that the girl is um, "well-built," and she told Sipe that she was 18. She also asked what he was drinking and if she could have some. I guess he admitted all the deeds to the police (except that it was consensual, not forced, sexual relations) because he believed she was 18, and didn't know why the cops were there. Until her parents/police told him otherwise. Also, he was babysitting kids of his gf's friend at the time. Kids were asleep, so him and the girl went outdoors into the woods that are next to the backyard of the residence.

                          As of right now, my bro's inlaws are letting him sit in jail, and are embarrassed/p*ed off/etc. They weren't really impressed by him anyway (he was fired from the family business twice, the latter being the last time he worked for them, etc etc etc). Not really a responsible guy.
                          Are these the people that give you crap for drinking with your friends?

                          This should give you a nice retort next time they do...
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                          • Re: Nice Planet 2011

                            Originally posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post
                            Are these the people that give you crap for drinking with your friends?

                            This should give you a nice retort next time they do...
                            No, I won't necessarily use that retort. But it does give me a nice excuse to opt out of the next family gathering if he will be there. Or might be there. Even though I believe his story, he did so many things wrong that I do not want to associate with him one bit.
                            Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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                              Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                              http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2150979.shtml?cat=0

                              I know this guy. He's my SIL's stepdad's kid.

                              The other side of the above story is that the girl is um, "well-built," and she told Sipe that she was 18. She also asked what he was drinking and if she could have some. I guess he admitted all the deeds to the police (except that it was consensual, not forced, sexual relations) because he believed she was 18, and didn't know why the cops were there. Until her parents/police told him otherwise. Also, he was babysitting kids of his gf's friend at the time. Kids were asleep, so him and the girl went outdoors into the woods that are next to the backyard of the residence.

                              As of right now, my bro's inlaws are letting him sit in jail, and are embarrassed/p*ed off/etc. They weren't really impressed by him anyway (he was fired from the family business twice, the latter being the last time he worked for them, etc etc etc). Not really a responsible guy.
                              Talk about a sitution where he should have lawyered up.
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                                Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
                                Here's another instance of an inconsiderate b*tch yakking on her cell phone. Unlike the last one, this babe doesn't think her race should free her from any concerns about politeness. This babe thinks she's too well educated to be bothered with shutting the eff up.

                                http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theloo...bouchon=501,ny

                                Admit it, wouldn't you just like to slap her 'till her fillings rattle?
                                If she was a classy Dame, she wouldn't have been dropping F-Bombs all over the place there.

                                Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                                http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2150979.shtml?cat=0

                                I know this guy. He's my SIL's stepdad's kid.

                                The other side of the above story is that the girl is um, "well-built," and she told Sipe that she was 18. She also asked what he was drinking and if she could have some. I guess he admitted all the deeds to the police (except that it was consensual, not forced, sexual relations) because he believed she was 18, and didn't know why the cops were there. Until her parents/police told him otherwise. Also, he was babysitting kids of his gf's friend at the time. Kids were asleep, so him and the girl went outdoors into the woods that are next to the backyard of the residence.

                                As of right now, my bro's inlaws are letting him sit in jail, and are embarrassed/p*ed off/etc. They weren't really impressed by him anyway (he was fired from the family business twice, the latter being the last time he worked for them, etc etc etc). Not really a responsible guy.
                                Ummm.... Yeah, that's getting into the area where you better ask for some ID on that one, or have turned her down unless she said she was nineteen.
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