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  • #31
    Re: Nice Planet 2011

    Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
    Yeah, to h*ll with her wanting to show her patriotism and pride. Right on. She should be just like all the other loser drones at this high school, reading several grades below where they should be and fit only for a life time of entry level work. Uh, except for the jocks.
    A rule is a rule. Agree with 'diva, where I personally would make "military" a specific exemption, but unfortunately the threat of lawsuits by others looms large.
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    • #32
      Re: Nice Planet 2011

      Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
      A rule is a rule. Agree with 'diva, where I personally would make "military" a specific exemption, but unfortunately the threat of lawsuits by others looms large.
      You may be right, but lawsuits or the threats thereof, are generally filed by the ACLU in their remorseless efforts to drive religion from the public square (except for Islam, of course). She may be a diva, but there's no evidence either way. I just think it's interesting the anti-military wimps (charter members of the Bradley Manning fan club) who are always arguing for a loosening of standards in every possible way, are in this case demanding absolute obediance to "the rules." Who is hurt by allowing her to "walk" in her uni?
      Last edited by Old Pio; 06-09-2011, 11:10 PM.
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      • #33
        Re: Nice Planet 2011

        Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
        You may be right, but lawsuits or the threats thereof, are generally filed by the ACLU in their remorseless efforts to drive religion from the public square (except for Islam, of course). She may be a diva, but there's no evidence either way. I just think it's interesting the anti-military wimps who are always arguing for a loosening of standards in every possible way, are in this case demanding absolute obediance to "the rules."
        Well, you would have jocks wearing uniforms: civic/school pride, no clothes: nudist (yeah, right, but how do you prove it wrong?), rather stereotypical flamboyant clothing: Gay Pride, anything deemed "obscene" by general societal guidelines: free speech, etc etc etc.

        It's a possibly slippery slope that the school wants no part of. Controversy/bad publicity (the latter of which they got anyways) and money both factor into these things. Welcome to America.
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        • #34
          Re: Nice Planet 2011

          Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
          Well, you would have jocks wearing uniforms: civic/school pride, no clothes: nudist (yeah, right, but how do you prove it wrong?), rather stereotypical flamboyant clothing: Gay Pride, anything deemed "obscene" by general societal guidelines: free speech, etc etc etc.

          It's a possibly slippery slope that the school wants no part of. Controversy/bad publicity (the latter of which they got anyways) and money both factor into these things. Welcome to America.
          Well, I'll agree that people who run and teach in big city high schools these days are generally no talent union goons. And the avoidance of any potential disagreement is right up there among their primary concerns. But don't you think school administrators should be able to say "no" to nudists without fear of reprisal? And shouldn't we be able to differentiate between the threat of a lawsuit and the filing of a lawsuit? Most high school parents have neither the means nor the inclination to file such a suit. As I say, the legal bullies at the ACLU do, but they're primarily concerned about mangers and Christmas decorations and other "outrages." Like I say, it's the same brain dead thinking that leads to zero tolerance drug policies that can't differential between midol and ten keys of black tar herion.

          It's not exactly like the "rules" of this high school are on a par with the liturgy of the Roman Catholic Church. These little rules can be broken or ignored on occasion. Let's take a hypothetical from the other side: she left school, joined the marines, served in Iraq, won a Medal of Honor, returned to school, completed the graduation requirements and wants to "walk" in her uniform wearing her medal. Would the pecksniffs at this high school say "no." Would you?
          Last edited by Old Pio; 06-09-2011, 11:24 PM.
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          • #35
            Re: Nice Planet 2011

            Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
            Well, I'll agree that people who run and teach in big city high schools these days are generally no talent union goons. And the avoidance of any potential disagreement is right up there among their primary concerns. But don't you think school administrators should be able to say "no" to nudists without fear of reprisal? Like I say, it's the same brain dead thinking that leads to zero tolerance drug policies that can't differential between midol and ten keys of black tar herion.

            It's not exactly like the "rules" of this high school are on a par with the liturgy of the Roman Catholic Church. These little rules can be broken or ignored on occasion. Let's take a hypothetical from the other side: she left school, joined the marines, served in Iraq, won a Medal of Honor, returned to school, completed the graduation requirements and wants to "walk" in her uniform wearing her medal. Would the pecksniffs at this high school say "no." Would you?
            Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think anyone should be able to wear what they please under the gown. Why does it affect me? However, if I'm a school official, and it comes down to a possible lawsuit/my job/reputation/whatever, nowadays I'm kind of cornered. It's sad, but it's true. I (or a committee) have to make a rule, and however strict it may be, either word it very very carefully, or make it a blanket "zero-tolerance" rule.

            Do I, as in me/myself, think it's ridiculous? Yes. Is it necessary nowadays? Sadly, yes. Since it has come to this, I prefer the "worded very very carefully" option, but that costs money. Money for lawyers and such to word it correctly. Money for lawyers to defend any lawsuits. Money that schools don't have.
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            • #36
              Re: Nice Planet 2011

              Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
              Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think anyone should be able to wear what they please under the gown. Why does it affect me? However, if I'm a school official, and it comes down to a possible lawsuit/my job/reputation/whatever, nowadays I'm kind of cornered. It's sad, but it's true. I (or a committee) have to make a rule, and however strict it may be, either word it very very carefully, or make it a blanket "zero-tolerance" rule.

              Do I, as in me/myself, think it's ridiculous? Yes. Is it necessary nowadays? Sadly, yes. Since it has come to this, I prefer the "worded very very carefully" option, but that costs money. Money for lawyers and such to word it correctly. Money for lawyers to defend any lawsuits. Money that schools don't have.
              Too many of us are thinking too much about what's "under the gown." The point is not to cover up her uniform, the point is to walk proudly wearing it so people can see. I suppose you could put an asterisk by her name in the program, identifying what she's wearing underneath the gown, but that wouldn't be quite the same, would it? We're just going to have to disagree that this blizzard of lawsuits you're predicting is likely to occur. And even if you're right, it's no way to run a railroad or a high school. I would guess that she's probably the first person to have accomplished what she accomplished. And IMO the school should be proud of her and welcome her "walking" in her uniform. And, under the circumstances, the school and it's limp wristed officials should be easily able to fend off any complaints from "parents."
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              • #37
                Re: Nice Planet 2011

                Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
                Too many of us are thinking too much about what's "under the gown." The point is not to cover up her uniform, the point is to walk proudly wearing it so people can see. I suppose you could put an asterisk by her name in the program, identifying what she's wearing underneath the gown, but that wouldn't be quite the same, would it? We're just going to have to disagree that this blizzard of lawsuits you're predicting is likely to occur. And even if you're right, it's no way to run a railroad or a high school. I would guess that she's probably the first person to have accomplished what she accomplished. And IMO the school should be proud of her and welcome her "walking" in her uniform. And, under the circumstances, the school and it's limp wristed officials should be easily able to fend off any complaints from "parents."
                I'm not predicting a blizzard of lawsuits. I'm predicting the THREAT of a blizzard of lawsuits. And with the multi-million dollar craptastic money-grubbing cases these days, even one case can cripple a school/establishment due to the lawyer/court costs alone. The threat is what is really causing all these inane rules.

                And in case you haven't noticed, I also agree with you. There should be no question that she should be able to wear her uniform. "Should" is the key word. But there is a question, and it all falls under whatever you want to call it: P*yfication of America, PC, Zero-Tolerance, etc.
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                • #38
                  Re: Nice Planet 2011

                  Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                  A rule is a rule. Agree with 'diva, where I personally would make "military" a specific exemption, but unfortunately the threat of lawsuits by others looms large.
                  Meh, optional ceremony she wants to take part in. It's not like the rule is purposely targeting her or a group. If she wants to be with her fellow classmates so badly she can wear the same thing as everyone else and when her name gets called they'll announce that she just got out of bootcamp, she's a marine, everyone will cheer, and the world will go on.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Nice Planet 2011

                    Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                    I'm not predicting a blizzard of lawsuits. I'm predicting the THREAT of a blizzard of lawsuits. And with the multi-million dollar craptastic money-grubbing cases these days, even one case can cripple a school/establishment due to the lawyer/court costs alone. The threat is what is really causing all these inane rules.

                    And in case you haven't noticed, I also agree with you. There should be no question that she should be able to wear her uniform. "Should" is the key word. But there is a question, and it all falls under whatever you want to call it: P*yfication of America, PC, Zero-Tolerance, etc.
                    Yeah, I noticed. Just didn't want to interrupt the flow.
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                    • #40
                      Re: Nice Planet 2011

                      Originally posted by Foxton View Post
                      Meh, optional ceremony she wants to take part in. It's not like the rule is purposely targeting her or a group. If she wants to be with her fellow classmates so badly she can wear the same thing as everyone else and when her name gets called they'll announce that she just got out of bootcamp, she's a marine, everyone will cheer, and the world will go on.
                      Please note, we have finally found a rule Foxton thinks is carved in stone and should be enforced at all costs.
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                      • #41
                        Re: Nice Planet 2011

                        Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
                        Please note, we have finally found a rule Foxton thinks is carved in stone and should be enforced at all costs.
                        If it was a rule that specifically singled out individuals or groups, no that rule should not be enforced. Students should be treated equally. But this isn't, all students need to wear the school cap and gown and it's completely optional for her to go.

                        I don't ever use this phrase but god **** you are a dumb ***.... although I do like using your lords name in vain.

                        If this wasn't someone from the military you would be on the school's side. Micheal Bay fanwanks to the military less than you.
                        Last edited by Foxton; 06-10-2011, 12:15 AM.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Nice Planet 2011

                          Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
                          Too many of us are thinking too much about what's "under the gown." The point is not to cover up her uniform, the point is to walk proudly wearing it so people can see. I suppose you could put an asterisk by her name in the program, identifying what she's wearing underneath the gown, but that wouldn't be quite the same, would it? We're just going to have to disagree that this blizzard of lawsuits you're predicting is likely to occur. And even if you're right, it's no way to run a railroad or a high school. I would guess that she's probably the first person to have accomplished what she accomplished. And IMO the school should be proud of her and welcome her "walking" in her uniform. And, under the circumstances, the school and it's limp wristed officials should be easily able to fend off any complaints from "parents."
                          What if she wanted to wear the cap and gown to an official military ceremony where everyone else had to be in uniform? Would that be acceptable?
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                          • #43
                            Re: Nice Planet 2011

                            Originally posted by XYZ View Post
                            What if she wanted to wear the cap and gown to an official military ceremony where everyone else had to be in uniform? Would that be acceptable?
                            You don't have to take an oath, and subject yourself to a separate legal system, to graduate from high school. You do to be in the Marine Corps. Apples/Oranges. There's no ceremony official or otherwise, where wearing the uniform is optional.
                            Last edited by Old Pio; 06-10-2011, 02:21 AM.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Nice Planet 2011

                              Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
                              You don't have to take an oath, and subject yourself to a separate legal system, to graduate from high school. You do to be in the Marine Corps. Apples/Oranges.
                              How so? Both are bonafide entities that have policies for official ceremonies. When it comes to that, what's the difference?
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                              • #45
                                Re: Nice Planet 2011

                                Originally posted by Foxton View Post
                                If it was a rule that specifically singled out individuals or groups, no that rule should not be enforced. Students should be treated equally. But this isn't, all students need to wear the school cap and gown and it's completely optional for her to go.

                                I don't ever use this phrase but god **** you are a dumb ***.... although I do like using your lords name in vain.

                                If this wasn't someone from the military you would be on the school's side. Micheal Bay fanwanks to the military less than you.
                                Classy as always. That's why we all look forward to those rare episodes when the thorazine wears off.
                                Last edited by Old Pio; 06-10-2011, 02:04 AM.
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