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  • #706
    Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

    Originally posted by bronconick View Post
    Carter did that, I think. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it's been quietly overturned by a Finding that it doesn't apply to terrorist organizations/their supporters or another Executive Order flipping it completely. It's not something you'd publicly announce for obvious reasons.

    Hell, we tried taking Saddam out the day of the invasion so it was probably overturned in late September 2001.
    A Commander-in-Chief is a legitimate military target when you're in a declared state of war. Oh, wait...
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    • #707
      Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

      Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
      A Commander-in-Chief is a legitimate military target when you're in a declared state of war. Oh, wait...
      Pssh. Declaring war went out of style with propeller driven aircraft.

      Probably just as well. We'd be declaring war via txtspeak or Twitter by now.

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      Last edited by bronconick; 05-31-2012, 11:34 AM.
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      • #708
        Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

        Originally posted by bronconick View Post
        "LOL I zergrush u now Irak! <3 USA."
        This is so sad and so funny at the same time.
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        • #709
          Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

          Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
          Now if someone writing in The New Yorker finds our policy of targeted assassination unsettling, I pay more attention than if the same article had appeared somewhere else. I know that's a logical fallacy, yet somehow the source sometimes does make a difference as to how we perceive the same news....

          http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...kill-list.html

          Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...#ixzz1wSWJWYpm
          The thought of this actually makes me respect the halfrican in chief a little more. The more targeted assasinations of scumbags, the better.
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          • #710
            Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

            Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
            Now if someone writing in The New Yorker finds our policy of targeted assassination unsettling, I pay more attention than if the same article had appeared somewhere else. I know that's a logical fallacy, yet somehow the source sometimes does make a difference as to how we perceive the same news....
            Nope. The only fallacy here is the belief that it's a fallacy.
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            • #711
              Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

              Originally posted by bigblue_dl View Post
              The thought of this actually makes me respect the halfrican in chief a little more. The more targeted assasinations of scumbags, the better.
              If they're American citizens I have a big problem with it. If they aren't American citizens I would expect whatever country they are citizens of to have a big problem with it.

              It's not just targeted assassinations, it's a complete absence of due process. I don't want anybody being sole judge, jury, and executioner unless it's me.

              This is one of those convenient-but-immoral things that it's going to take a stronger person than Obama to stop. Unfortunately practically the entire top tier of American politics, including his Fall opponent, are far, far weaker people.
              Last edited by Kepler; 05-31-2012, 03:40 PM.
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              • #712
                Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                If they're American citizens I have a big problem with it. If they aren't American citizens I would expect whatever country they are citizens of to have a big problem with it.

                It's not just targeted assassinations, it's a complete absence of due process. I don't want anybody being sole judge, jury, and executioner unless it's me.

                This is one of those convenient-but-immoral things that it's going to take a stronger person than Obama to stop. Unfortunately practically the entire top tier of American politics, including his Fall opponent, are far, far weaker people.
                There is something about war by drone and/or war by robot that unsettles me. One of the deterrents to war is its horror. When you take away the stench by killing the bad guys from thousands of miles away, it becomes a video game and less horrific and easier to do.

                Killing should be the last resort of the nation-state. Making it easy and antiseptic to one side is wrong.
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                • #713
                  Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                  Originally posted by joecct View Post
                  There is something about war by drone and/or war by robot that unsettles me. One of the deterrents to war is its horror. When you take away the stench by killing the bad guys from thousands of miles away, it becomes a video game and less horrific and easier to do.

                  Killing should be the last resort of the nation-state. Making it easy and antiseptic to one side is wrong.
                  Don't worry about it.

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                  • #714
                    Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                    Originally posted by joecct View Post
                    There is something about war by drone and/or war by robot that unsettles me. One of the deterrents to war is its horror. When you take away the stench by killing the bad guys from thousands of miles away, it becomes a video game and less horrific and easier to do.

                    Killing should be the last resort of the nation-state. Making it easy and antiseptic to one side is wrong.
                    There's a much more effective way to accomplish this than eliminating the use of drones. Establish mandatory national service.
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                    • #715
                      Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                      Originally posted by amherstblackbear View Post
                      There's a much more effective way to accomplish this than eliminating the use of drones. Establish mandatory national service.
                      Agreed. But the one caveat would be that it does not have to be in the armed forces. I am much more of in favor of a Starship Troopers requirement.
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                      • #716
                        Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                        Originally posted by joecct View Post
                        Agreed. But the one caveat would be that it does not have to be in the armed forces. I am much more of in favor of a Starship Troopers requirement.
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                        • #717
                          Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                          Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                          Co-Ed Naked showers?
                          Read the book, burn the movie.
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                          • #718
                            Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                            Originally posted by joecct View Post
                            Read the book, burn the movie.
                            From my personal experience, it is much more rewarding to see boobs than to read about them.
                            Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.

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                            • #719
                              Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                              Originally posted by joecct View Post
                              Read the book, burn the movie.
                              And then read The Forever War immediately afterwards. It will give one a great contrasting perspective on war and service.
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                              • #720
                                Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                                Originally posted by MattS View Post
                                And then read The Forever War immediately afterwards. It will give one a great contrasting perspective on war and service.
                                I like that book.

                                The first third of Starship Troopers is good (the "self-teaching" part); then it goes to StupidTown.

                                Edit: big brain fart, I was thinking of Battlefield Earth! I've never read Starship Troopers.
                                Last edited by Kepler; 06-06-2012, 08:43 AM.
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