Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Haven't seen Libya or Egypt threatening to wipe out Israel and such.

Uh, I think you missed the point.

He said that countries don't mess with you under the threat of retaliation. AFAIK Israel has no problem defending itself yet Iran has been poking a stick at them for years.

[Bob Gray]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Oh, I see. And Egypt and Libya are rational. Got it.

Haven't seen Libya or Egypt threatening to wipe out Israel and such.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Yup, because Holocaust-denying Iran behaves rationally in its decisionmaking. Didn't know you had such respect for the mullahs!

Oh, I see. And Egypt and Libya are rational. Got it.

[Bob Gray]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Right. That's why Iran keeps messing with Israel.

Yup, because Holocaust-denying Iran behaves rationally in its decisionmaking. Didn't know you had such respect for the mullahs!

[Rover]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Several weeks ago I said that in the realm of international relations, I'd rather that the US be feared / respected and not care whether we were liked or not.

Probably not the best day to speculate on how much Obama's 2009 "can't we all be friends" speech in Cairo contributed to these events.....

Ask Osama Bin Laden that question. Oh that's right. He's not around anymore...

[Rover]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

If you're going to rob someone are you going after the house that's wired and has an NRA sticker on the front window, or somebody who's got "Peace" in the window and a Volt in the driveway?

So....why is crime worse in FL and TX than in MA?

[joecct]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Oh folks! Stand up and SING!!

[bronconick]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Several weeks ago I said that in the realm of international relations, I'd rather that the US be feared / respected and not care whether we were liked or not.

Probably not the best day to speculate on how much Obama's 2009 "can't we all be friends" speech in Cairo contributed to these events.....

Probably not, but that won't stop you from being a partisan ***hole, now will it?

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

If you're going to rob someone are you going after the house that's wired and has an NRA sticker on the front window, or somebody who's got "Peace" in the window and a Volt in the driveway?

Right. That's why Iran keeps messing with Israel.

[joecct]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Right. I bet the attacks were based on something Obama said.

If you're going to rob someone are you going after the house that's wired and has an NRA sticker on the front window, or somebody who's got "Peace" in the window and a Volt in the driveway?

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Several weeks ago I said that in the realm of international relations, I'd rather that the US be feared / respected and not care whether we were liked or not.

Probably not the best day to speculate on how much Obama's 2009 "can't we all be friends" speech in Cairo contributed to these events.....

Right. I bet the attacks were based on something Obama said.

[FreshFish]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Several weeks ago I said that in the realm of international relations, I'd rather that the US be feared / respected and not care whether we were liked or not.

Probably not the best day to speculate on how much Obama's 2009 "can't we all be friends" speech in Cairo contributed to these events.....

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

I think we're largely on the same page. I've had relatives in foreign places that are far from safe, so I understand your sentiments. Really, in a lot of the Middle Eastern countries, I don't know how we can be certain that our embassy will be safe. Egypt and Libya are the poster children, but this could have happened other places.

We didn't learn from the last time we had a Communist president. Why should we expect that we've learned anything this time? They'll probably stay.

[Bob Gray]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

I am more sympathetic to your point than you probably expect, particularly since I know plenty of foreign service officers. I would love to see us find a way of keeping communication lines open without also putting our people at risk.

I think we're largely on the same page. I've had relatives in foreign places that are far from safe, so I understand your sentiments. Really, in a lot of the Middle Eastern countries, I don't know how we can be certain that our embassy will be safe. Egypt and Libya are the poster children, but this could have happened other places.

[Kepler]

Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Having U.S. embassy staff in their country or not isn't going to make or break them. If they become a failed state (to the extent they haven't already), it's not because we have an embassy there or not. I do agree that if a country takes all the right steps then you don't yank an embassy. But, I have little faith that these countries can take all the right steps and ensure our embassy's safety. There are ways to stay engaged without providing a sitting duck target for the next tantrum the populace of a given Muslim country decides to throw.

I am more sympathetic to your point than you probably expect, particularly since I know plenty of foreign service officers. I would love to see us find a way of keeping communication lines open without also putting our people at risk.