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  • #541
    Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    For now. The Tsar is not dead, just renamed.
    This is not a sprint. A step backwards, two steps forward. Steady progress towards global peace and democracy is what matters. This is arguably the first time the Russian people themselves have stood up for democracy.
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    • #542
      Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

      Originally posted by joecct View Post
      Won't last a 9th Circuit minute in court.

      And, I know this will surprise you, I think the Supreme Court upholds the 9th Circuit.
      Maybe, but I think Roberts, Thomas and Alito will be on board the Homeland Security Express right to the end of the line. Scalia, who knows? It depends whether he finds a cryptic footnote to his edition of the Anabasis over cornflakes the day he hears the case. And I'm none too sure about Kagan, either. Being Obama's nominee doesn't exactly fill me with confidence when it comes to civil liberties and privacy issues.

      The main point is this is just too freaking scary to come from the Senate. The House is supposed to come up with boneheaded shortsighted crap like this all the time: they're the Vox Populi. The Senate is supposed to contain at least a critical mass of people who have taken Con Law 101.
      Last edited by Kepler; 12-06-2011, 08:14 AM.
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      • #543
        Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

        Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
        This is not a sprint. A step backwards, two steps forward. Steady progress towards global peace and democracy is what matters. This is arguably the first time the Russian people themselves have stood up for democracy.
        They did it in February 1917, too. They just blew it in October.

        The Russians have a pattern of doing this. They got rid of Ivan the Terrible only to invite him back.
        Last edited by Kepler; 12-06-2011, 08:11 AM.
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        • #544
          Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          They did it in February 1917, too. They just blew it in October.

          The Russians have a pattern of doing this. They got rid of Ivan the Terrible only to invite him back.
          I don't think I'd have been big on Czarist serfdom either. In the end, the Russian people had little input into the formation of Stalinism.
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          • #545
            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            They did it in February 1917, too. They just blew it in October.

            The Russians have a pattern of doing this. They got rid of Ivan the Terrible only to invite him back.
            I honestly think Russia needs a Tsar. Not an Ivan, but a Constutional Peter would give the Russians their state figurehead and tourist rubles. The apparatus would still run the country the way its always been, but the masses would be happy. And if somebody really screws up there is always the Kremlin Wall treatment ala Ivan. THAT would make the people happy, too!
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            • #546
              Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

              Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
              I don't think I'd have been big on Czarist serfdom either. In the end, the Russian people had little input into the formation of Stalinism.
              Well, "the people" very rarely have much input in the formation of a political system. Also, it's a long, long road between the anti-czarists and the February Revolution and the October Revolution and Stalin. Conflating them is a little like saying Julius Caesar brought down the Roman Republic -- it skips about 100 years of political history in between.
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              • #547
                Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                I honestly think Russia needs a Tsar. Not an Ivan, but a Constutional Peter would give the Russians their state figurehead and tourist rubles. The apparatus would still run the country the way its always been, but the masses would be happy. And if somebody really screws up there is always the Kremlin Wall treatment ala Ivan. THAT would make the people happy, too!
                It's like the old saw that whoever is on the money it's the bureaucrats who have really run China for four thousand years.
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                • #548
                  Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  Well, "the people" very rarely have much input in the formation of a political system.
                  Disagree. It just takes time. Whether directly or indirectly, the people get what they want. Unlike a thousand years ago, there are relatively few dictatorial monarchies. Its when the people themselves disagree that the system takes control.
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                  • #549
                    Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                    Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                    Disagree. It just takes time. Whether directly or indirectly, the people get what they want. Unlike a thousand years ago, there are relatively few dictatorial monarchies. Its when the people themselves disagree that the system takes control.
                    "Government by the people" depends which people you mean by "the people."

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                    Arguably, the same percentage of the population has real political power today as it had in many ages. The difference is the illusion of power, which is probably more important to happiness than the reality of power.
                    Last edited by Kepler; 12-07-2011, 10:59 AM.
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                    • #550
                      Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                      Did we not have a remote self destruct in these drones? Really?
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                      • #551
                        Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                        Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                        Did we not have a remote self destruct in these drones? Really?
                        Please forward your remarks to:

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                        Speculation from an aviation site, which includes one of my favorite euphemisms, "departure from controlled flight."
                        Last edited by Kepler; 12-12-2011, 11:38 AM.
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                        • #552
                          Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                          Hey, we've asked them for it back. Problem solved.

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                          • #553
                            Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                            I've never worked on the RQ-170, nor do I know that anyone I've ever worked with has. However, having worked alongside plenty of people who *have* worked on other drones (Global Hawk, Predator, etc), I can almost 100% guarantee that RQ-170 had a self destruct feature, and I can also 100% guarantee that that feature has failure modes which could prevent it from working properly. Getting an aircraft to do what you want (whether to fly or to self-destruct) is always a game of probabilities.

                            For commercial airplanes, any failure mode which could potentially lead to a "catastrophic" (i.e. loss of the airplane) event must be shown via analysis and backed up with test data to show that the probability of that event occurring is less than 1e-9 (i.e. less probable than 1 in a billion). But, in the words of Jim Carey, "So you're telling me there's a chance!" There's no way to guarantee that an airplane will not crash - that would be trying to prove a negative - so all you can do is ensure that it is very unlikely.
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                            • #554
                              Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                              Originally posted by WeWantMore View Post
                              Hey, we've asked them for it back. Problem solved.
                              If we would have been prepared, we wouldn't have to fall back on the last resort...now would we?

                              Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                              I've never worked on the RQ-170, nor do I know that anyone I've ever worked with has. However, having worked alongside plenty of people who *have* worked on other drones (Global Hawk, Predator, etc), I can almost 100% guarantee that RQ-170 had a self destruct feature, and I can also 100% guarantee that that feature has failure modes which could prevent it from working properly. Getting an aircraft to do what you want (whether to fly or to self-destruct) is always a game of probabilities.

                              For commercial airplanes, any failure mode which could potentially lead to a "catastrophic" (i.e. loss of the airplane) event must be shown via analysis and backed up with test data to show that the probability of that event occurring is less than 1e-9 (i.e. less probable than 1 in a billion). But, in the words of Jim Carey, "So you're telling me there's a chance!" There's no way to guarantee that an airplane will not crash - that would be trying to prove a negative - so all you can do is ensure that it is very unlikely.
                              Unfortunately, this puts the failure rate of that system (assuming it exists) as pretty poor.
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                              • #555
                                Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                                Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                                Unfortunately, this puts the failure rate of that system (assuming it exists) as pretty poor.
                                Outstanding logic. If you roll a 20-sided die and get a 20 on the first roll, do you assume it's loaded?
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