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  • #496
    Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

    Kep: I can't imagine pulling out of Afghanistan anytime soon. The country is unsaveable and nothing we do will ever change that, but we gave up our Saudi bases when we invaded Iraq. The closest bases we'll have to the region will now be Afghanistan. Give that up and the closest thing we have is probably Diego Garcia. Pretty hard to intimidate Iran at that point.
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    • #497
      Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      Bush negotiated the 2011 timeline. It may have just been a play for time, because his own administration was always trumpeting the idea that having a fixed withdrawal date meant the Hun would overrun the country 12 minutes after we left, but the credit for the negotiation does go to him.

      The main thing here is the guys will be out and thank heaven for that. If whoever is president in 2013 can manage the withdrawal from Afghanistan he (or she) will have done the country, especially our military, another huge favor.

      Whatever one's view on this particular war, having such an overtly politically partisan war must strike everybody as a tragedy. War, like sex, should be preceded by an AND gate.
      But who will be the new boogie man?
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      • #498
        Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

        Originally posted by joecct View Post
        But who will be the new boogie man?
        *****http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_map/iran.gif******

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        • #499
          Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

          Originally posted by Priceless View Post
          *****http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_map/iran.gif******
          Actually, they already are. You do recall that business of overrunning the US embassy in Tehran and holding diplomats hostage for about a year, don't you? It was in all the papers.
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          • #500
            Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

            Originally posted by joecct View Post
            But who will be the new boogie man?
            Muslims still exist.

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            • #501
              Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

              There will always be another boogie man. As empires expand, the border lengthens. Every state on the other side of the border is either an "ally" or an "enemy." Since our empire is commercial and global, every state on Earth that's not completely integrated into our system is an enemy.

              Good prospects: Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Pakistan, Syria, Burma. Iraq and Afghanistan will become excellent choices as soon as they betray us (i.e., follow their own regional interests rather than ours).

              It's really just a question of whether we need a big enemy or a small one.
              Last edited by Kepler; 10-27-2011, 10:18 AM.
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              • #502
                Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                Bush negotiated the 2011 timeline.
                Not until Obama already had an exit plan...

                Iraqi PM backs Obama troop exit plan: report

                Reuters

                In an interview with Der Spiegel released on Saturday, Maliki said he wanted U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq as soon as possible. It is the first time he has backed the withdrawal timetable put forward by Obama, who is visiting Afghanistan and us set to go to Iraq as part of a tour of Europe and the Middle East.

                Maliki, who is due to visit Germany this week, has suggested a timetable should be set for a U.S. withdrawal but U.S. officials have been more cautious, despite an improving security situation.

                The White House said on Friday President George W. Bush and Maliki had agreed that a security deal under negotiation should set a "time horizon" for meeting "aspirational goals" for reducing U.S. forces in Iraq.

                "The Americans have found it difficult to agree on a concrete timetable for the exit because it seems like an admission of defeat to them. But it isn't," Maliki told Der Spiegel.
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                • #503
                  Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                  Stay or go??
                  http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/201.../?xid=tweetbut
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                  2 granddaughters (EML 4/18, LCL 5/20)

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                  • #504
                    Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                    Originally posted by joecct View Post
                    Stay or go??
                    http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/201.../?xid=tweetbut
                    Let's ask Bachmann, then do the opposite of whatever she says.

                    Whatever is decided, I bet the GOP candidates for president find a way to say it's wrong and blame Obama for it.

                    If NATO stays: It's a costly occupation that we can't afford
                    If NATO goes: We should stand by our friends in the region and make sure the evil Muslims do not take over.
                    Last edited by Priceless; 10-27-2011, 07:44 PM.

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                    • #505
                      Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                      Saw this on the Fox News site. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10...est=latestnews

                      Some quotes:
                      “Sweden needs lots of immigrants,” he says, “because otherwise we can’t keep up our welfare system. We, as most parts of Europe, have too few people. Within the coming 20 years, we will have a lack of labor force, so we need more people coming to Sweden. We don’t have enough kids from ourselves.”
                      Another young woman, when asked about the face of Sweden changing dramatically due to massive immigration, said, “I think everything we call culture right now, it’s been so fluid throughout history. I don’t think it can be overruled like that. Everything that comes in, it just adds to the culture, it doesn’t take away.”
                      The future of Europe??
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                      2 granddaughters (EML 4/18, LCL 5/20)

                      ?€Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.?€
                      - Benjamin Franklin

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                      • #506
                        Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                        I hesitate even posting this...

                        I think Anon may have bitten off a bit more than they can chew with their latest campaign. Talk about playing with fire... They're going to get someone killed with this latest stunt. It sounds like most of their members are distancing themselves out of fear, and rightly so... Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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                        • #507
                          Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                          Originally posted by joecct View Post
                          Saw this on the Fox News site. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10...est=latestnews

                          Some quotes:

                          We don’t have enough kids from ourselves.
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                          • #508
                            Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                            Interesting read.

                            "If it was a kill mission you don't need Seal Team 6; you need a box of hand grenades."

                            (not to mention a chance to bump Priceless's outstanding picture).
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                            • #509
                              Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                              Cojones.

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                              Last edited by Kepler; 11-08-2011, 12:30 PM.
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                              • #510
                                Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

                                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                Cojones.
                                Hey, they were asking for it.

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