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    Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

    Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    Bachmann for president in 2016!
    Puck you.

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    Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

    Originally posted by Priceless View Post
    Wait...how did a discussion of the GWOT turn into a dissertation of the dynamics of elections in Minnesota's 6th district?
    Bachmann for president in 2016!

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    There you go. So who elected Bachmann?

    The suburbs/exurbs of Anoka, Washington, Wright - Bachmann 108k vs. Clark 83k...Gave Bachmann an incremental +25k votes
    The St Cloud and northern areas of Stearns, Sherburne, Benton - Bachmann 51k vs. Clark 38k...Gave Bachmann an incremental +13k votes

    As I said...the suburb/exurb counties of Anoka, Wright and Washington put her in office.
    This is a joke... right? Do you understand math?

    Also, Anoka County is not an exurb. STOP CALLING IT THAT. Over 2/3 of the population of Anoka County is south of Anoka, Blaine, and Coon Rapids (inclusive). So to include it with Wright is like comparing apples and oranges.
    Last edited by dxmnkd316; 07-24-2012, 11:17 AM.

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    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Lulz. Ok.

    ...............Clark.........Bachmann.....Contribu tion to Spread
    Benton........5,388......6,973.....0.6%
    Anoka.........35,297.....47,224...4.3%
    Sherberne...11,488.....18,851....2.6%
    Stearns......20,840.....24,977....1.5%
    Washington.31,045.....33,803.....1.0%
    Wright........16,669.....27,412.....3.8%

    While Anoka contributed the most outright, if you look at Anoka and Washington, they combine for only 5.3% of the 13.8% spread. Benton, Sherberne, Stearns, and Wright accounted for 8.3% of the 13.8% spread. That's a whopping 61.9% of the spread from only 47.4% of the population of the district. You want to keep arguing that the northwest corner isn't her base?
    There you go. So who elected Bachmann?

    The suburbs/exurbs of Anoka, Washington, Wright - Bachmann 108k vs. Clark 83k...Gave Bachmann an incremental +25k votes
    The St Cloud and northern areas of Stearns, Sherburne, Benton - Bachmann 51k vs. Clark 38k...Gave Bachmann an incremental +13k votes

    As I said...the suburb/exurb counties of Anoka, Wright and Washington put her in office.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

    Originally posted by Priceless View Post
    Wait...how did a discussion of the GWOT turn into a dissertation of the dynamics of elections in Minnesota's 6th district?
    I was wondering the same thing. Then I realized Bachmann was involved. One could argue she is part of the GWoT. I'll leave which side of the problem she's on to the masses.

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    Wait...how did a discussion of the GWOT turn into a dissertation of the dynamics of elections in Minnesota's 6th district?

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  • 5mn_Major
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    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    I'd be careful throwing that "progressive" term as a blanket statement across the bulk of the state. I'd honestly say you have the "reserved, Minnesota Nice, pragmatic... and smart" part pretty much nailed. But progressive I'm not entirely sure that's correct.
    I did say a majority of Minnesotans. But yes, I'd say a majority of Minnesotans are progressive. A recent PPP poll has the gay marriage ban at risk as 49% are against and 43% are for. Minnesota supports environmental causes just see all the wind generators until you cross the S Dakota border where they instantly disappear. This is a progressive call (as opposed to those who think that global warming is a hoax). On the business front, we've enacted many innovations where the rest of the country has followed (banning smoking in many indoor locations). We have far more in common with other progressive states of Washington state than we do of conservative states like Alabama, Texas and Utah. Minnesota is comparatively progressive.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

    Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    Anoka, Washington and Wright counties (with a population of about 670k) decide district 6 not the northern countries of Sherburne, Stearns and Benton (with a population of about 270k).

    And using a completely different candidate's numbers for Bachmann are insufficient to show otherwise.
    Lulz. Ok.

    ...............Clark.........Bachmann.....Contribu tion to Spread
    Benton........5,388......6,973.....0.6%
    Anoka.........35,297.....47,224...4.3%
    Sherberne...11,488.....18,851....2.6%
    Stearns......20,840.....24,977....1.5%
    Washington.31,045.....33,803.....1.0%
    Wright........16,669.....27,412.....3.8%

    While Anoka contributed the most outright, if you look at Anoka and Washington, they combine for only 5.3% of the 13.8% spread. Benton, Sherberne, Stearns, and Wright accounted for 8.3% of the 13.8% spread. That's a whopping 61.9% of the spread from only 47.4% of the population of the district. You want to keep arguing that the northwest corner isn't her base?

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  • bigblue_dl
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    I am conservative, but I don't agree with much of Bachmann's BS. Even still, I don't mind her because with all of her bat**** crazy attributes I have a feeling that she does serve a purpose. I think much of her actual policy (not accusing half of Washington of being in the muslim brotherhood) has the potential to drive some actual productive conversation, the problem is, if she's involved in the conversation, all hell would break loose. If she just wasn't so ****ing nuts, she could actually do some good. (I am actually a bit sceptical of how bat**** crazy she actually is. I think she loves being talked about and loves playing to the base, so she says and does crazy ****. I'm thinking that she's actually pretty smart and most of the crazy is calculated)

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    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    See, here's why you don't even know what you're talking about:

    ................Obama.....McCain......Difference (+ is McCain)

    Anoka is the largest of the counties yet it had one of the closest margins. Washington had the second closest in terms of percentages. This district was essentially won in Sherberne, Stearns, and Wright.
    Anoka, Washington and Wright counties (with a population of about 670k) decide district 6 not the northern countries of Sherburne, Stearns and Benton (with a population of about 270k).

    And using a completely different candidate's numbers for Bachmann are insufficient to show otherwise.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    There is a small cross section of state conservatives that are just like her. The wierd thing is that she is the antithesis of most Minnesotans...who are reseserved, 'Minnesota nice', pragmatic, progressive, and smart.
    I'd be careful throwing that "progressive" term as a blanket statement across the bulk of the state. I'd honestly say you have the "reserved, Minnesota Nice, pragmatic... and smart" part pretty much nailed. But progressive I'm not entirely sure that's correct. I think Minnesotans are actually somewhat conservative, but by no means neo-conservative. They aren't Sarah Palin conservatives (some are, obviously) but the bulk are quite moderate. They take, as you correctly put, a pragmatic and intelligent approach to most topics. Which is why they haven't voted Republican in my lifetime.

    Take gay marriage. Most of the conservatives I know are for it. There's a very vocal portion of the far right in Minnesota that try to speak for all conservatives. They don't. Gay marriage will pass because of the logical approach most Minnesotans take when they make decisions.
    Last edited by dxmnkd316; 07-24-2012, 10:33 AM.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Somebody in the MN state GOP must be thinking, "this person is a liability." Particularly in granite countertop districts, there is no shortage of Patty Murray types with free time, a husband making seven figures, and nothing to lose, who can run "soccer mom with plain old common sense" insurgencies and win. The RNC loves them, because when they get to DC they're slack-jawed rubes who will vote with the whip for the next ten terms.

    Nobody wants to be associated with a woman who at any moment might tweet how "there are some overlooked good ideas" in Mein Kampf, and a sitting Rep is a log jamming hopefuls coming up from below. I'm very surprised the state and national party haven't decided she has passed her expiration date.
    I think there are a number of people in the Minnesota GOP that are wholly embarrassed by her and would love to see her dumped. The problem is, the national party knows they can run Bachmann out there and win. I wouldn't be shocked if the Minnesota GOP wanted to dump her but the national party slammed the door on that idea. The national party knows she will always vote how they want. Why have intelligence when you can have a sheep?

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  • 5mn_Major
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    Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Somebody in the MN state GOP must be thinking, "this person is a liability." Particularly in granite countertop districts, there is no shortage of Patty Murray types with free time, a husband making seven figures, and nothing to lose, who can run "soccer mom with plain old common sense" insurgencies and win. The RNC loves them, because when they get to DC they're slack-jawed rubes who will vote with the whip for the next ten terms.

    Nobody wants to be associated with a woman who at any moment might tweet how "there are some overlooked good ideas" in Mein Kampf, and a sitting Rep is a log jamming hopefuls coming up from below. I'm very surprised the state and national party haven't decided she has passed her expiration date.
    There is a small cross section of state conservatives that are just like her. The wierd thing is that she is the antithesis of most Minnesotans...who are reseserved, 'Minnesota nice', pragmatic, progressive, and smart.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    Seems you were the one originally looking for me to clarify my post:



    So yet again, your post is making the wrong conclusion...its not the northwestern section of the district that is getting Bachmann into office. Its Anoka, Washington and Wright counties.
    See, here's why you don't even know what you're talking about:

    ................Obama.....McCain......Difference (+ is McCain)
    Benton.......8,452......10,338......1,886
    Anoka........86,997.....91,357......4,360
    Sherberne...17,960.....26,143......8,183
    Stearns......35,690.....41,194......5,504
    Washington.70,281.....64,335......-5,946
    Wright........26,343.....37,779......11,436

    Anoka is the largest of the counties yet it had one of the closest margins. Washington had the second closest in terms of percentages. This district was essentially won in Sherberne, Stearns, and Wright.

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  • 5mn_Major
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    Seems you were the one originally looking for me to clarify my post:

    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    *slaps forehead* Sorry.

    The area close to the metro aren't Bible-thumpin' rednecks. Especially in northeast Blaine and the southeastern portion of Washington County (Woodbury, Lake Elmo). Educated, white, and rich. It's the northwestern section of the district that's just absolutely full of the north's version of rednecks. All you have to do is look and see St Cloud in the grouping and it pretty much explains everything .
    So yet again, your post is making the wrong conclusion...its not the northwestern section of the district that is getting Bachmann into office. Its Anoka, Washington and Wright counties.

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