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  • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

    Originally posted by Priceless View Post
    People can choose not to attend church too.
    I'm not in favor of forcing folks to view anything they don't want to view at either church or a pregnancy center. What an inane argument to make.
    Originally posted by Priceless
    Good to see you're so reasonable.
    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
    Very well, said.
    Originally posted by Rover
    A fair assessment Bob.

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      Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
      I'm not in favor of forcing folks to view anything they don't want to view at either church or a pregnancy center. What an inane argument to make.
      You personally may not want to force women to view anything, but there are certainly those that do, including some very powerful policy makers in the Republican Party.

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      • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

        Originally posted by Priceless View Post
        You personally may not want to force women to view anything, but there are certainly those that do, including some very powerful policy makers in the Republican Party.
        And I disagree with them. You do realize that we can agree on something, at least once in awhile?


        Of course my main point of that response was that unofan's comparison made no sense.
        Originally posted by Priceless
        Good to see you're so reasonable.
        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
        Very well, said.
        Originally posted by Rover
        A fair assessment Bob.

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        • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

          Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
          And I disagree with them. You do realize that we can agree on something, at least once in awhile?


          Of course my main point of that response was that unofan's comparison made no sense.
          To be fair when I first read your original post I too thought you were advocating for forcing them to be shown the ultrasound.

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          • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

            Originally posted by Proud2baLaker View Post
            To be fair when I first read your original post I too thought you were advocating for forcing them to be shown the ultrasound.
            Me too. I actually thought unofan's comparison was spot on, though I understand given the clarification that Bob's not trying to force women to do some sort of bizarro aversion therapy to condition their decision.

            For all that, I would be for recommending would-be military recruits walk the amputee wing at Bethesda Naval Hospital before signing up, although I think we'd wind up with an army of about 300 guys. Just part of making an informed decision.

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            • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

              All I said was that stats show that fewer women have abortions after having seen an ultrasound of their baby. I really don't see how you could read that as saying people should be forced to.
              Originally posted by Priceless
              Good to see you're so reasonable.
              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
              Very well, said.
              Originally posted by Rover
              A fair assessment Bob.

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                And in other news, the latest report shows Medicare and Social Security falling apart even earlier than previously projected.

                http://http://www.cbsnews.com/storie...20062642.shtml
                Originally posted by Priceless
                Good to see you're so reasonable.
                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                Very well, said.
                Originally posted by Rover
                A fair assessment Bob.

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                  Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                  All I said was that stats show that fewer women have abortions after having seen an ultrasound of their baby. I really don't see how you could read that as saying people should be forced to.
                  Two reasons: (1) One of the latest GOP campaigns regarding this wedge issue is requiring women to view ultrasounds before they can get an abortion (not that most doctors wouldn't do this anyway, but that still doesn't mean the politicians should mandate it as a requirement), and (2) Because your post was made in response to, and quoted, this post:
                  Originally posted by amherstblackbear View Post
                  My favorites are the bills requiring women to view abortion procedures.
                  Maybe I'm too cynical, but it doesn't exactly take a stretch of the imagination to read your post as a...re-phrasing...of the requirement part rather than a disagreement of such.

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                  • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                    Originally posted by priceless View Post
                    you personally may not want to force women to view anything, but there the texas legislature sure does.
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                    • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                      Originally posted by unofan View Post
                      Two reasons: (1) One of the latest GOP campaigns regarding this wedge issue is requiring women to view ultrasounds before they can get an abortion (not that most doctors wouldn't do this anyway, but that still doesn't mean the politicians should mandate it as a requirement), and (2) Because your post was made in response to, and quoted, this post:


                      Maybe I'm too cynical, but it doesn't exactly take a stretch of the imagination to read your post as a...re-phrasing...of the requirement part rather than a disagreement of such.
                      I've found that at times you have just such an imagination!

                      As I said before, I personally don't think anyone should be forced to do anything, even if I think it's a good thing if they do and its important information for them to have. But in fairness, folks like the Texas Legislature are pushing back against people like Planned Parenthood, who typically don't show ultrasounds, present adoption as a viable option, etc. There's a reason that Planned Parenthood has like 400 abortions for every adoption referral. I think there's some reasonable middle ground that would serve pregnant women and society in general well.
                      Originally posted by Priceless
                      Good to see you're so reasonable.
                      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                      Very well, said.
                      Originally posted by Rover
                      A fair assessment Bob.

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                        Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                        There's a reason that Planned Parenthood has like 400 abortions for every adoption referral.
                        No idea if your numbers are right, but women go to PP for abortions, evil PP doctors don't brainwash them or something.

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                        • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          No idea if your numbers are right, but women go to PP for abortions, evil PP doctors don't brainwash them or something.

                          99% of people who go to tattoo parlors get tattoos. Clearly, the artists are putting the strong arm on them.
                          But they always claim that PP's main purpose is prenatal health and all, not abortions. They can't have it both ways.

                          On the numbers, here's from the PP wiki, which references PP's 2008-2009 annual report:
                          "Those percentages include prenatal services to 7,021 clients and 977 adoption referrals to other agencies as well as 332,278 abortions." I guess that wouldn't be quite a 400 to 1 ratio, but not far from it.

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned...and_facilities
                          Originally posted by Priceless
                          Good to see you're so reasonable.
                          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                          Very well, said.
                          Originally posted by Rover
                          A fair assessment Bob.

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                          • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                            Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                            But they always claim that PP's main purpose is prenatal health and all, not abortions. They can't have it both ways.

                            On the numbers, here's from the PP wiki, which references PP's 2008-2009 annual report:
                            "Those percentages include prenatal services to 7,021 clients and 977 adoption referrals to other agencies as well as 332,278 abortions." I guess that wouldn't be quite a 400 to 1 ratio, but not far from it.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned...and_facilities
                            They do other things as well. Only 3% of what they do is abortions. That came out during the John Kyl #NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement debacle.
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                            • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                              Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                              But they always claim that PP's main purpose is prenatal health and all, not abortions. They can't have it both ways.
                              No way Jose, you pivoted in the middle, going from "abortion vs adoption" to "abortion vs pre-natal care." Two very, very different comparisons. To say that PP's lack of adoption referrals in some way impacts their record of pre-natal care is like saying an ear, nose and throat doctor doesn't actually treat tonsils because he rarely makes a referral to a foot doctor.
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                              • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                                They do other things as well. Only 3% of what they do is abortions. That came out during the John Kyl #NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement debacle.
                                But what's her face started PP and she was A, B, and C and why the **** are you discussing this with Bob again?

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