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  • #901
    Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

    Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
    You don't know the history of abortion in this country, eh? Such was the state of this country prior to Roe v. Wade. Certainly not perfect, but I don't recall hearing of thousands of people being convicted of murder, as you insinuate.
    No. Just thousands of coat hanger incidents. But you go on with your bad self.
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    Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
    Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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    • #902
      Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      Kevin Drum puts the butthurt on the WSJ.
      The redrawn chart is no better. The divisions are still arbitrary and artificially chosen to push a certain point. The best way to represent the data is some sort of cumulative distribution plot, I think. It avoids having to divide things up into buckets, particularly in the problematic high end of the chart.
      Last edited by Craig P.; 05-13-2011, 10:34 AM.
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      • #903
        Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

        Originally posted by amherstblackbear View Post
        My favorites are the bills requiring women to view abortion procedures.

        Apart from the Clockwork Orange aspect of it, you have to admit that Congress (or any legislature) admonishing people to consider the consequences of their decisions is just about the supreme irony in American politics.
        Two wrongs don't make a right. Both people and Congress should consider the consequences of their decisions. Really, why are some people afraid of making information available to women? For example, stats show that far fewer women go through with abortions after seeing an ultrasound of their baby.
        Originally posted by Priceless
        Good to see you're so reasonable.
        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
        Very well, said.
        Originally posted by Rover
        A fair assessment Bob.

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        • #904
          Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
          No. Just thousands of coat hanger incidents. But you go on with your bad self.
          So you concede that your insinuation that there would be murder charges all over the place was a total red herring. Thanks.
          Originally posted by Priceless
          Good to see you're so reasonable.
          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
          Very well, said.
          Originally posted by Rover
          A fair assessment Bob.

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          • #905
            Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

            Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
            So you concede that your insinuation that there would be murder charges all over the place was a total red herring. Thanks.
            No, I don't concede that at all. Murder charges are the goal.
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            Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
            Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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            • #906
              Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

              Originally posted by Craig P. View Post
              The redrawn chart is no better. The divisions are still arbitrary and artificially chosen to push a certain point. The best way to represent the data is some sort of cumulative distribution plot, I think. It avoids having to divide things up into buckets, particularly in the problematic high end of the chart.
              Agreed. All the redrawn chart did was sum up all those high-end chunks. If anything, I'd prefer the first chart, as it tells me some amount of breakout of folks about 200K, while the second one doesn't.
              Originally posted by Priceless
              Good to see you're so reasonable.
              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
              Very well, said.
              Originally posted by Rover
              A fair assessment Bob.

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              • #907
                Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                No, I don't concede that at all. Murder charges are the goal.
                Murder charges are the goal? You really are delusional. Yah, the entire pro-life movement's goal is to charge lots of people with murder. I would say this is comical, but I'm sure you really believe it.
                Originally posted by Priceless
                Good to see you're so reasonable.
                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                Very well, said.
                Originally posted by Rover
                A fair assessment Bob.

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                • #908
                  Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                  Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                  Murder charges are the goal? You really are delusional. Yah, the entire pro-life movement's goal is to charge lots of people with murder. I would say this is comical, but I'm sure you really believe it.
                  Obvious conclusion. Facts show that there are a number of things that can be done to drastically reduce the abortions without changing the law. But, the pro-life movement spends ALL of it's energy on the law change, while at the same time fighting against the very people that work on the things that help the reduction (birth control, counseling, education, etc.).

                  It's just one big hypocrisy.
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                  Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                  Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                  • #909
                    Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                    Obvious conclusion. Facts show that there are a number of things that can be done to drastically reduce the abortions without changing the law. But, the pro-life movement spends ALL of it's energy on the law change, while at the same time fighting against the very people that work on the things that help the reduction (birth control, counseling, education, etc.).

                    It's just one big hypocrisy.
                    Given that my wife and I volunteer at a Crisis Pregnancy Center and they do all those things that you say they don't, you are have no idea what you're talking about.
                    Originally posted by Priceless
                    Good to see you're so reasonable.
                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                    Very well, said.
                    Originally posted by Rover
                    A fair assessment Bob.

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                    • #910
                      Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                      Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                      Given that my wife and I volunteer at a Crisis Pregnancy Center and they do all those things that you say they don't, you are have no idea what you're talking about.
                      I think that's awesome that you do that, Bob. You're truly one of the ones that walks the walk. But, the "abstinence" movement, the defunding of planned parenthood, the fight against sex education in public schools says otherwise for the vast majority.
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                      Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                      Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                      • #911
                        Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                        I think that's awesome that you do that, Bob. You're truly one of the ones that walks the walk. But, the "abstinence" movement, the defunding of planned parenthood, the fight against sex education in public schools says otherwise for the vast majority.
                        Well, thank you. I think if a lot of folks (not directed at you, but as a general comment), got out there and helped someone instead of just complaining and arguing, we'd all be doing our nation a good turn. For me, I come on here and argue about things, sometimes heatedly, but I have at times had to stop and look in the mirror and ask myself if I'm really doing anything about an issue instead of just being another complainer.

                        Spent a couple hours last night sorting donated baby clothing!
                        Originally posted by Priceless
                        Good to see you're so reasonable.
                        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                        Very well, said.
                        Originally posted by Rover
                        A fair assessment Bob.

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                        • #912
                          Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                          Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                          Well, thank you. I think if a lot of folks (not directed at you, but as a general comment), got out there and helped someone instead of just complaining and arguing, we'd all be doing our nation a good turn. For me, I come on here and argue about things, sometimes heatedly, but I have at times had to stop and look in the mirror and ask myself if I'm really doing anything about an issue instead of just being another complainer.

                          Spent a couple hours last night sorting donated baby clothing!
                          Giving also really does give back, and it's one of the few things that's completely BS-free. Like you, I wonder sometimes about whether expending energy tilting at windmills here is worth anything -- everyone's mind is made up already and people believe what they believe and make up "reasons" for it afterward. But it's a guilty pleasure.

                          I don't think pro-life people are hypocritical, but I do think a lot of political leaders who pay lip service to them sure are.
                          Last edited by Kepler; 05-13-2011, 11:27 AM.
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                          • #913
                            Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                            Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                            Really, why are some people afraid of making information available to women?
                            forced viewing != making available

                            Tell you what, let's pass a law requiring all church goers to listen to a scientist describing the scientific foundation behind natural selection and the theory of evolution before they pass through the church's doors. Because clearly if people knew the facts, fewer people would deny the theory's veracity.

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                            • #914
                              Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                              Originally posted by unofan View Post
                              forced viewing != making available

                              Tell you what, let's pass a law requiring all church goers to listen to a scientist describing the scientific foundation behind natural selection and the theory of evolution before they pass through the church's doors. Because clearly if people knew the facts, fewer people would deny the theory's veracity.
                              Don't see anyone forcing anything. You walk through a pregnancy center and that's your choice. You can walk out at any time and nobody is forcing you to view or not view anything. You're way off base.
                              Originally posted by Priceless
                              Good to see you're so reasonable.
                              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                              Very well, said.
                              Originally posted by Rover
                              A fair assessment Bob.

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                              • #915
                                Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                                Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                                Don't see anyone forcing anything. You walk through a pregnancy center and that's your choice. You can walk out at any time and nobody is forcing you to view or not view anything. You're way off base.
                                People can choose not to attend church too.

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