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  • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

    Originally posted by MinnFan View Post
    For the "Fair Share" crowd. According to the OECD (based in Paris) the US has the most progressive tax structure.
    LOL. That also has Sweden as the 2nd lowest burden on the rich.

    Socialism FTW!

    In other words, your link is a load of crap.
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    • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
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      • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

        Originally posted by bronconick View Post
        LOL. That also has Sweden as the 2nd lowest burden on the rich.

        Socialism FTW!

        In other words, your link is a load of crap.
        It doesn't speak to to the top rate. It shows the difference between the bottom and the top rates (how progressive the structure is). Sweeden is 2nd lowest because their middle class pays a bigger share of the taxes.

        But good job refuting it with your witty response.
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        • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

          Originally posted by bronconick View Post
          LOL. That also has Sweden as the 2nd lowest burden on the rich.

          Socialism FTW!

          In other words, your link is a load of crap.
          Eh. It's not a load of crap. It's just another cherry-picking blog. The headline is flatly wrong, as the OECD report says no such thing.

          The one table that the blog reproduces (from a 300+ page report) shows that the United States does have one of the most progressive household taxes (after only Ireland).

          But a tax system is also defined by transfers, which the Tax Foundation conveniently, and predictably, ignores. Here, as you would imagine, the U.S. is not first.

          The OECD avg net benefit of transfers - taxes for the lowest income quintile is more than double what it is in the U.S.

          That chapter of the report concludes that different countries seek redistribution through different means, and that transfers are both more effective and efficient than taxes as a means of doing so.

          Not my work. I'm not employed by the OECD. Just got interested in MinnFan's link and decided to look for the real story.
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          • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

            Oh snap.
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            • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              Oh snap.
              It WAS fascinating to think after all the scare-mongering, MinnFan was trying to tell us Socialism was better for rich people than Capitalism.

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              • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                Oh snap.
                Have OECDStat subscription, will waste time.
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                • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                  Originally posted by amherstblackbear View Post
                  Have OECDStat subscription, will waste time.
                  257 posts to go, but I think you just won the thread.
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                  • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                    I have no idea where the heck to put this. I doubt there's enough interest for it to have its own thread, so it goes here.
                    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/aeed63d4-6...#axzz1JqA604QE

                    The Tea Party is spreading. It's been sighted in . . . wait for it . . . wait for it . . . Finland.

                    Yes, there is a Tea Party in Finland, though for obvious reasons they don't use the same metaphor. The Finnish version doesn't use any metaphors, actually. They get right down to business, calling themselves the "True Finns" party. In today's election, they punched way above their weight, giving the mainstream conservative party a realistic ally to form a ruling coalition.

                    For politics geeks only: Why does it matter? It could be a fatal blow to Portugal's hopes for an an EU bailout. The True Finns are kicking arse and taking names, and Euro solidarity is, like, so 2010. No word on whether the new nationalists will ask Nokia to give back the $2billion bailout they got from Microsoft...

                    Mainly, though, it's a victory for truth in advertising. Every nationalist party should be called "True [nationality goes here]."
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                    • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                      Originally posted by amherstblackbear View Post
                      I have no idea where the heck to put this. I doubt there's enough interest for it to have its own thread, so it goes here.
                      http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/aeed63d4-6...#axzz1JqA604QE

                      The Tea Party is spreading. It's been sighted in . . . wait for it . . . wait for it . . . Finland.
                      Which means there are a couple of Finns that support something other than outright communism.
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                      • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                        When people are saying "Americans", they typically say "real" in front of it (or "ugly" if we're being a-holes to other countries/cultures). Can't say I've heard "true" thrown in front of it all that much.

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                        • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                          Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                          Which means there are a couple of Finns that support something other than outright communism.
                          One of my colleagues is a Finn -- probably his most irritating trait is his smugness whenever politics comes up for discussion. I didn't rub it in yesterday, but this like the Palin-Bachmann party outpolling the Democrats.

                          Nat'l Coalition Party (right-wing): 20.4%
                          Social Democrats (left-wing): 19.1%
                          True Finns (really right-wing): 19.0%
                          Center Party (more truth in advertising): 15.8%
                          Left Alliance (really left wing): 8.1%

                          The True Finns picked up more votes from 07-11 than the Center party got (total) in '11. So partisan polarization is not just an American thing. Hard times are just bad news for moderates.
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                          • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                            Militant populism always rears its ugly head during hard economic times.

                            In the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, France, Austria, Sweden, Hungary, Serbia, Romania, Switzerland, and more, the far right is on the rise, making it to national legislatures and prominence in a number of countries. On November 2, a CNN headline announced: "UK far-right group boasts Tea Party links".
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                            • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                              Originally posted by amherstblackbear View Post
                              The True Finns picked up more votes from 07-11 than the Center party got (total) in '11.
                              They have 7-11 in Finland? And they actually care how people who work there vote?

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                              • Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

                                Balanced Budget?

                                Democratic Congressman was on Morning Joe this morning and said when he proposed a War Tax to, you know, pay for war they acted like he kicked a puppy.
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