The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

[Foxton]

Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

Same here.

Still waiting for things that Planned Parenthood does that means they should be defunded. I'm sure Sanger might have been a current event way back when but please indicate something that is happening NOW.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

Still waiting for things that Planned Parenthood does that means they should be defunded. I'm sure Sanger might have been a current event way back when but please indicate something that is happening NOW.

We can start with Senator John Kyl having to lie on the Senate floor to try to make his point.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo...parenthood.php

In the heated budget debate last week, Kyl erroneously claimed on the Senate floor that 90% of Planned Parenthood's services are abortions; the real number is more like 3%. Rather than admit a mistake, Kyl defended that claim by saying it was, "not intended to be a factual statement."

"Kyl just rounded up to the nearest 90," Colbert explained.

"You can't call him out for being wrong when he never intended to be right," he added.

[bronconick]

Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

Still waiting for things that Planned Parenthood does that means they should be defunded. I'm sure Sanger might have been a current event way back when but please indicate something that is happening NOW.

Members of NOW should be executed as well. Calling for letting women read and backtalk the menfolk. If they'd just stay in the kitchen, not only would the country be better, we'd all be healthier from eating a proper, home cooked meal.

[Priceless]

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We can start with Senator John Kyl having to lie on the Senate floor to try to make his point.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo...parenthood.php

Jon Kyl likes to rape little boys.
This is not intended as a factual statement

[Bob Gray]

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So, Not to inject anything into the sissy fight...I am confused still about what PP is doing related to corruption. If you are against abortion that is one thing but it is legal and that is not corruption.

I will agree that what Margaret Sanger said in today's culture is not acceptable but in those times there was a lot of that kind of rhetoric from all sides. There certainly was racism, bigotry and all sorts of unChristian behavior, even from the Christians! (and yes, I am one). Popes have done some horrifying things but does that make Christianity null? No, the basis is the belief system. THe PP belief is that women should be given the tools to take care of their bodies. Prevention is the most important part of what they teach.

I understand you are against abortion. I can't say that I disagree with this as I have said before. I ask once again how cutting funding to a place that provides a way to prevent the need is helping this situation? Do you have stats on just how many ABs could potentially be prevented by all the birth control that is being distributed? How about how many total visits compared to how many ABs were performed? I am pretty sure the ratio would way outdo the stat about adoption vs AB. How about how many referrals to OB for prenatal care?

I know they have all the propaganda nonsense about ABs being pushed. I have to disagree with this. I have had more than a few patients that were rejected because they were not sure they wanted one and wanted to just get it over with. For those who are seeking adoption there are other, well known avenues that are available. I have referred patients to them. PP is not the first place that comes to mind to broker that altho they offer the service.

On the whole I understand that abortion is objectionable. I do not understand why some of what someone said a century ago has bearing on the way the organization is judged today. Margaret Sanger said some horrifying things. Just like we have Glen Beck, Rush, and Oberman now who are way over the line when they say things. She was a wildly radical person in her time and I bet would still be one now.

Despite her nasty side she also was an advocate for women when there were no other advocates and some of the things she advocated for were things that made being a woman more safe. At that time in history women were purposefully kept in the dark about most things to do with sexuality including pregnancy prevention and STDs. Sanger diseminated this information allowing women to protect against pregnancy and STDs in a time when there was very little intervention that could help a woman who was a risk. She may not have had the best moral character but I am sure that at least this is a good thing for women.

Thank you for being thoughtful in your dialogue. I'm afraid I have to say yet again that Patman was the one talking about corruption at PP, not me. I don't know how many more times I have to say it, but somehow people are missing it. My point is PP's checkered history and it's honoring of Sanger, who was pretty monstrous in her views of things. I'm not going to say she didn't do anything good in her lifetime, but her views of minorities, the poor, the handicapped, immigrants, etc. are far beyond Beck or those others who you mention. I'm not a Beck or Olberman or Rush fan and don't listen to any of their junk, but I've never heard any of them remotely suggest exterminating the negro race, as Sanger advocated. She didn't just say horrifying things, she pushed horrifying agendas. Pre-WW2 her group was connected the Nazi Germany. And it's not like she was just associated with the group for a short period when it initially started and then the group radically changed and rejected its roots. She was active in these issues until her death in 1966. And PP still greatly honors her. So efforts to say something she said or did a century ago has no association with PP now just doesn't square with or reflect the reality of her long association with PP and their continued holding her on a pedestal. It'd be like Cambodia honoring Pol Pot or something. I guess a lot of folks simply aren't as bothered by her views and her long association with PP. The amount of handwringing around here when some conservative person says something relatively innocuous who nobody wants to confront the grisly views of Margaret Sanger shows wild hypocrisy. If some conservative icon from back then had said such things, they'd be horribly castigated (and rightly so), but you get a free pass if you're a liberal darling. I mean, her views aren't just mildly offensive on the edge stuff, they are gross and vile by any measure, part of the reason her organization was looked up to by Nazi Germany, which shared in some of her and her group's perspectives.

[ScoobyDoo]

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Thank you for being thoughtful in your dialogue. I'm afraid I have to say yet again that Patman was the one talking about corruption at PP, not me. I don't know how many more times I have to say it, but somehow people are missing it. My point is PP's checkered history and it's honoring of Sanger, who was pretty monstrous in her views of things. I'm not going to say she didn't do anything good in her lifetime, but her views of minorities, the poor, the handicapped, immigrants, etc. are far beyond Beck or those others who you mention. I'm not a Beck or Olberman or Rush fan and don't listen to any of their junk, but I've never heard any of them remotely suggest exterminating the negro race, as Sanger advocated. She didn't just say horrifying things, she pushed horrifying agendas. Pre-WW2 her group was connected the Nazi Germany. And it's not like she was just associated with the group for a short period when it initially started and then the group radically changed and rejected its roots. She was active in these issues until her death in 1966. And PP still greatly honors her. So efforts to say something she said or did a century ago has no association with PP now just doesn't square with or reflect the reality of her long association with PP and their continued holding her on a pedestal. It'd be like Cambodia honoring Pol Pot or something. I guess a lot of folks simply aren't as bothered by her views and her long association with PP. The amount of handwringing around here when some conservative person says something relatively innocuous who nobody wants to confront the grisly views of Margaret Sanger shows wild hypocrisy. If some conservative icon from back then had said such things, they'd be horribly castigated (and rightly so), but you get a free pass if you're a liberal darling. I mean, her views aren't just mildly offensive on the edge stuff, they are gross and vile by any measure, part of the reason her organization was looked up to by Nazi Germany, which shared in some of her and her group's perspectives.

And many of the Founding Fathers had slaves. Context is important here.

[Bob Gray]

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And many of the Founding Fathers had slaves. Context is important here.

It's amazing how you and your ilk always go back to, well, other people in world history also did bad things, so leave Sanger alone. Find some new material at the very least.

Not to mention that you are time scale challenged also, comparing folks from over 200 years ago to someone who was alive and active into the 1960s.

You really should stop pretending your anything other than a major fan of Obama and liberal apologist though. The inconsistency just becomes more glaring each time you post.

[ScoobyDoo]

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It's amazing how you and your ilk always go back to, well, other people in world history also did bad things, so leave Sanger alone. Find some new material at the very least.

Not to mention that you are time scale challenged also, comparing folks from over 200 years ago to someone who was alive and active into the 1960s.

You really should stop pretending your anything other than a major fan of Obama and liberal apologist though. The inconsistency just becomes more glaring each time you post.

Again with the Obama bit. Obama has DONE NOTHING that I wanted. NOTHING. I didn't vote for him so stop placing me with him. This Sanger bit is just another distraction from the real issue that was being discussed which you and Patman have provided no back up on so you lose. At least you didn't blatantly lie like Senator Kyl.

And for the record I find some of Sanger's views disgusting and repulsive. But, they have nothing to do with what Planned Parenthood does today and she did do some good things.

[Kepler]

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Members of NOW should be executed as well. Calling for letting women read and backtalk the menfolk. If they'd just stay in the kitchen, not only would the country be better, we'd all be healthier from eating a proper, home cooked meal.

The tenth birth kills her at 29; you marry her 17-year-old cousin; repeat.

Stupid liberals ruined a good thing.

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[Foxton]

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Apparently something that is happening now is something Bob simply doesn't understand.

[amherstblackbear]

...and god help you if you drive a VW

~100 years ago, some activist promoted birth control. That activist subsequently endorsed eugenics. Nazis also endorsed eugenics.

PP provides birth control. Ipso facto, PP is on a moral plane with German national socialism.

Glenn Beck, is that really you?

[geezer]

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It aggravates me that these knuckleheaded Republicans in congress want to use a filibuster of the debt ceiling to get spending cuts. The debt ceiling does not concern how much money can be borrowed; only how much we can legally pay back. Do you really want to mess with that?

[Handyman]

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It aggravates me that these knuckleheaded Republicans in congress want to use a filibuster of the debt ceiling to get spending cuts. The debt ceiling does not concern how much money can be borrowed; only how much we can legally pay back. Do you really want to mess with that?

It doesnt hurt them in any way so what the frick do they care?

[ScoobyDoo]

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It doesnt hurt them in any way so what the frick do they care?

Well, except if the full faith and credit of the US is destroyed then we're all fricked. But, that doesn't prevent them from playing a good game of chicken.

Here's Jon Stewart's take on Senator Kyl. Colbert's was better but this one is still good.

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The Daily Show - Countdown to the Next Countdown - Jon Kyl's Planned Parenthood Statistics
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[Kepler]

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It aggravates me that these knuckleheaded Republicans in congress want to use a filibuster of the debt ceiling to get spending cuts. The debt ceiling does not concern how much money can be borrowed; only how much we can legally pay back. Do you really want to mess with that?

Dumb question: shouldn't the time to vote on raising the debt ceiling be before we've spent the money?