The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

[Priceless]

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That's exactly what the front page article on Yahoo about the shutdown is claiming.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_spending_showdown



Smooth move, there Dems.

All Planned Parenthood does is abortions! They don't provide cancer screenings, prenatal care, rape counseling, pregnancy testing, and general health care services from high blood pressure, cholesterol and diabetes screenings to simple vaccinations. They don't screen for STD's and STI's. They never help people quit smoking. They neglect to perform Pap Smears and LEEP procedures. They don't even give young women without insurance the means to prevent cervical cancer.

Oh wait...they do do all those things. Sounds terrible. We definitely shouldn't be funding them.

[Bakunin]

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We definitely shouldn't be funding them.

Agreed. They'd be a much better organization if only they'd focus on their bread and butter, which is vacuuming out fetuses.

[Kepler]

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Agreed. They'd be a much better organization if only they'd focus on their bread and butter, which is vacuuming out fetuses.

The most significant problem with abortions is the wrong people get them. If middle class suburban liberal women start having Mormon-sized families (totally affordable, I mean, 2-Princeton income? Ka-ching! No career problems, either, just get a freaking nanny) we would demographically solve the whole problem at the polls in one generation.

The arm-pit hair types of the 70's did a lot of good for women (actually, not really, but the actual feminists of the first half of the 20th century did), but they really screwed the country when they added the anti-big-family V-chip.

[Bakunin]

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The most significant problem with abortions is the wrong people get them. If middle class suburban white liberal women start having Mormon-sized families (totally affordable, I mean, 2-Princeton income? Ka-ching! No career problems, either, just get a freaking nanny) we would demographically solve the whole problem at the polls in one generation.

The major flaw in your idea is this demographic of women (educated whites) isn't exactly gung-ho about having kids. I know a few of them, and they place greater value on their careers and traveling than on reproducing. Many others simply set their standards too high and drive away any interested men in their prime reproductive years and then are forced to turn desperate as they approach 40 and run out of time. The end result is they have 0-2 kids and play little to no role in reshaping the nation's demographics (which appear to be shifting due to immigration and the crazed reproduction that's going on in those incoming groups). Lastly, just because parents are left-leaning doesn't mean their kids will turn out that way. There's certainly a correlation there I'm sure, but it's by no means a slam dunk. The same applies to religious affiliation. I've managed to go my own way on religion *and* politics w/ respect to my parents. Suffice it to say, I don't really get along with them.

[Kepler]

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The major flaw in your idea is this demographic of women (educated whites) isn't exactly gung-ho about having kids. I know a few of them, and they place greater value on their careers and traveling than on reproducing.

I think that's a false conflation of desires though. All you need to balance ginormous family size and the freedom to work and travel is money -- au pairs and boarding schools. And by the time your children are old enough to appreciate it you can lug them around on the Grand Tour and broaden their little freaking minds so they don't wind up watching RomComs and reading Nora Roberts. Also, tennis -- makes them more lithe and more marriageable.

Seriously, everything we need to know about expanding the non-derp portion of the country can be picked up from one Edith Wharton novel.

[MinnFan]

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All Planned Parenthood does is abortions! They don't provide cancer screenings, prenatal care, rape counseling, pregnancy testing, and general health care services from high blood pressure, cholesterol and diabetes screenings to simple vaccinations. They don't screen for STD's and STI's. They never help people quit smoking. They neglect to perform Pap Smears and LEEP procedures. They don't even give young women without insurance the means to prevent cervical cancer.

Oh wait...they do do all those things. Sounds terrible. We definitely shouldn't be funding them.

Then let them raise their own money. If they provide such a valuable service they should have no problem convincing the public to donate to them.

[unofan]

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Then let them raise their own money. If they provide such a valuable service they should have no problem convincing the public to donate to them.

"The world's greatest nation" should not force its least powerful citizens to rely upon charity. That's not governance, that's serfdom.

[MinnFan]

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"The world's greatest nation" should not force its least powerful citizens to rely upon charity. That's not governance, that's serfdom.

Instead it should use force to steal it That turns the rest of us into serfs of the state.

[unofan]

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Instead it should use force to steal it

Taxes = stealing. Real freaking original.

I'll respond in kind. If you don't like paying taxes, move to Rwanda. I hear they're a libertarian paradise with 0% tax rates.

[MinnFan]

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Taxes = stealing. Real freaking original.

What else do you call it when you take something from someone by force to give it to someone else? When the gov't goes something that you or I would be arrested for I'd say its a pretty good comparison.

[MinnFan]

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Taxes = stealing. Real freaking original.

I'll respond in kind. If you don't like paying taxes, move to Rwanda. I hear they're a libertarian paradise with 0% tax rates.

Or I could pay taxes for services that truly are public good; meaning that everyone benefits from them.

[MinnFan]

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"The world's greatest nation" should not force its least powerful citizens to rely upon charity. That's not governance, that's serfdom.

BTW - how is it any different when gov't to them if its the gov't doing it. Its still a handout either way. I guess in your world its more dignified to take your handouts from gov't even though they are far less responsible with their giving.

[unofan]

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What else do you call it when you take something from someone by force to give it to someone else? When the gov't goes something that you or I would be arrested for I'd say its a pretty good comparison.

It's the price of admission to a civilized society which allows you to earn what you earn. If you don't want to pay it, you are free to move elsewhere and renounce your U.S. citizenship. You'll never be "robbed " again, at least by the American government. That's assuming someone else is willing to take you; which I'm not convinced is the case.

[Bakunin]

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I think that's a false conflation of desires though.

You realize we're talking about women, right? They aren't exactly known for being all rational about everything.

All you need to balance ginormous family size and the freedom to work and travel is money -- au pairs and boarding schools.

Well, if many wealthy families feature guys with trophy wives, it's pretty obvious why the women don't want to have lots of children. It's tough to stay in shape and retain the husband if you've pooped out five bundles of joy.

And by the time your children are old enough to appreciate it you can lug them around on the Grand Tour and broaden their little freaking minds so they don't wind up watching RomComs and reading Nora Roberts. Also, tennis -- makes them more lithe and more marriageable.

If I had the means, I'd rather just ship them off to study abroad rather than physically lugging them around on trips. Having to listen to the "are we there yet?" chorus doesn't strike me as particularly enjoyable, but to each his own.

And why tennis? Why not gymnastics(note: I'm not talking about the ridiculous training regimen that makes its participants look perpetually 12)?

[unh_hockey]

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Fun fact, I have an interview at the ship yard for a mechanical engineering position, and thanks to this whole congress thing, it might be delayed. Not a huge deal, but I have been trying to work at this place for a while and finally get an opportunity, yet uncle sam can’t figure out what to do with abortions.

Come on guys! Coat hangers all the way around!! I keed! I keeed!!