ECAC Women's Pick the Standings 2024-25

[QuasiCosmos]

11 - Brown
3 - Clarkson
1 - Colgate
2 - Cornell
8 - Dartmouth
12 - Harvard
7 - Princeton
4 - Quinny
10 - RPI
5 - SLU
9 - Union
6 - Yale

[Earl_Leatherland]

As of
2024-11-01	9:25:32 AM	Bro	Clark	Col	Corn	Dart	Harv	Prince	Quin	RPI	SLU	Union	Yale
Actual		3	9	6	7	11	10	8	5	1	12	2	4
Theorizer	Relevant	Brown	Clarksn	Colgate	Cornell	Dartmouth	Harvard	Princeton	Quinnipiac	RPI	SLU	Union	Yale	Square
BowWowWow	Yes	4	1	5	2	12	11	8	7	10	6	9	3	264
AlwaysCold2	Yes	7	4	3	2	12	11	8	9	5	1	6	10	282
vicb	Yes	4	3	1	2	12	11	7	6	9	5	10	8	284
LetsGoTech16	Yes	4	1	3	2	12	11	8	6	10	5	9	7	290
hab	Yes	5	1	3	4	11	12	9	6	7	2	8	10	300
Nicole Haase	Yes	8	4	1	5	11	9	6	3	12	7	10	2	302
Skate79	Yes	8	1	2	3	11	12	7	4	9	5	10	6	308
Moosefan1	Yes	5	4	1	2	12	10	7	6	9	3	11	8	324
LongGame	Yes	6	2	1	4	12	10	7	5	11	3	9	8	340
Earl_Leatherland	Yes	6	1	2	5	10	11	9	4	12	3	8	7	344
Coach	Yes	8	1	2	3	11	10	7	5	9	4	12	6	354
PondHockeyGuy	Yes	7	4	1	5	9	10	8	3	12	2	11	6	384
Average		6.0	2.3	2.1	3.3	11.3	10.7	7.6	5.3	9.6	3.8	9.4	6.8	314.7

[Earl_Leatherland]

You have until the puck drops on

Friday, November 1, 2024

at 2:59 PM EDT to get your picks in.

[Earl_Leatherland]

Sorry QuasiCosmos, as I did not see your entry earlier today:

As of
2024-11-01	12:17:12 PM	Bro	Clark	Col	Corn	Dart	Harv	Prince	Quin	RPI	SLU	Union	Yale
Actual		3	9	6	7	11	10	8	5	1	12	2	4
Theorizer	Relevant	Brown	Clarksn	Colgate	Cornell	Dartmouth	Harvard	Princeton	Quinnipiac	RPI	SLU	Union	Yale	Square
BowWowWow	Yes	4	1	5	2	12	11	8	7	10	6	9	3	264
AlwaysCold2	Yes	7	4	3	2	12	11	8	9	5	1	6	10	282
vicb	Yes	4	3	1	2	12	11	7	6	9	5	10	8	284
LetsGoTech16	Yes	4	1	3	2	12	11	8	6	10	5	9	7	290
hab	Yes	5	1	3	4	11	12	9	6	7	2	8	10	300
Nicole Haase	Yes	8	4	1	5	11	9	6	3	12	7	10	2	302
Skate79	Yes	8	1	2	3	11	12	7	4	9	5	10	6	308
Moosefan1	Yes	5	4	1	2	12	10	7	6	9	3	11	8	324
LongGame	Yes	6	2	1	4	12	10	7	5	11	3	9	8	340
Earl_Leatherland	Yes	6	1	2	5	10	11	9	4	12	3	8	7	344
QuasiCosmos	Yes	11	3	1	2	8	12	7	4	10	5	9	6	348
Coach	Yes	8	1	2	3	11	10	7	5	9	4	12	6	354
PondHockeyGuy	Yes	7	4	1	5	9	10	8	3	12	2	11	6	384
Average		6.4	2.3	2.0	3.2	11.0	10.8	7.5	5.2	9.6	3.9	9.4	6.7	317.2

[sshablak]

6 Brown
1 Clarkson
2 Colgate
3 Cornell
5 Dartmouth
12 Harvard
9 Princeton
6 Q-Pac
10 RPI

4 SLU
7 Union
8 Yale

[apple2k]

1. Colgate
2. Cornell
3. SLU
4. Clarkson
5. Q-Pac
6. Brown
7. Princeton
8. Yale
9. Union
10. RPI
11. Dartmouth
12. Harvard

[Earl_Leatherland]

Current standings with NPCs:

As of
2024-11-06	4:00:20 PM	Bro	Clark	Col	Corn	Dart	Harv	Prince	Quin	RPI	SLU	Union	Yale
Actual		1	8	5	12	11	9	11	4	6	7	2	3
Theorizer	Relevant	Brown	Clarkson	Colgate	Cornell	Dartmouth	Harvard	Princeton	Quinnipiac	RPI	SLU	Union	Yale	Square
Lacitebahpla	No	12	11	10	9	8	7	6	5	4	3	2	1	227
Earl_Leatherland	Yes	6	1	2	5	10	11	9	4	12	3	8	7	245
BowWowWow	Yes	4	1	5	2	12	11	8	7	10	6	9	3	247
Nicole Haase	Yes	8	4	1	5	11	9	6	3	12	7	10	2	257
Last Year	No	9	4	2	5	12	8	7	3	10	6	11	1	259
hab	Yes	5	1	3	4	11	12	9	6	7	2	8	10	261
LetsGoTech16	Yes	4	1	3	2	12	11	8	6	10	5	9	7	265
LongGame	Yes	6	2	1	4	12	10	7	5	11	3	9	8	275
vicb	Yes	4	3	1	2	12	11	7	6	9	5	10	8	277
PondHockeyGuy	Yes	7	4	1	5	9	10	8	3	12	2	11	6	283
apple2k	Yes	6	4	1	2	11	12	7	5	10	3	9	8	289
sshablak	Yes	6	1	2	3	5	12	9	6	10	4	7	8	292
AlwaysCold2	Yes	7	4	3	2	12	11	8	9	5	1	6	10	297
Skate79	Yes	8	1	2	3	11	12	7	4	9	5	10	6	299
Moosefan1	Yes	5	4	1	2	12	10	7	6	9	3	11	8	301
Coach	Yes	8	1	2	3	11	10	7	5	9	4	12	6	333
QuasiCosmos	Yes	11	3	1	2	8	12	7	4	10	5	9	6	353
Alphabetical	No	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	361
Random	No	6	4	3	5	10	1	2	7	9	12	11	8	389
Average		6.5	2.9	2.5	3.6	10.2	9.8	7.2	5.4	9.3	4.7	9.1	6.6	290.0

[BowWowWow]

Current standings with NPCs:

As of
2024-11-06	4:00:20 PM	Bro	Clark	Col	Corn	Dart	Harv	Prince	Quin	RPI	SLU	Union	Yale
Actual		1	8	5	12	11	9	11	4	6	7	2	3

....

Hi Earl, because of some miscalculations on the ECAC site, the current standings seem a bit different than this. I've tried to show the point totals on the "ECAC '24-25: Who rebuilds? Who reloads?" thread. But the tiebreaking procedures are also unclear, and I wanted to seek your input on that, in any case: do you know what is prioritized, head-to-head, goal differential, etc.?

[hab]

Hi Earl, because of some miscalculations on the ECAC site, the current standings seem a bit different than this. I've tried to show the point totals on the "ECAC '24-25: Who rebuilds? Who reloads?" thread. But the tiebreaking procedures are also unclear, and I wanted to seek your input on that, in any case: do you know what is prioritized, head-to-head, goal differential, etc.?

Longstanding peeve of mine is the lack of logic (in most sports) in showing standings. The best logic is percentage (win/loss/tie) to account for what is often a big disparity in games played. MLB achieves something close with 'games behind leader'.

[hab]

Is there anywhere that reports correct standings for women's Div 1 hockey? Both the ECAC site and USCHO really struggle with getting things right on points for overtime games (ties, wins, losses). Both are wrong, currently (Nov. 10) but wrong in different ways .

[PSUfan]

Is there anywhere that reports correct standings for women's Div 1 hockey? Both the ECAC site and USCHO really struggle with getting things right on points for overtime games (ties, wins, losses). Both are wrong, currently (Nov. 10) but wrong in different ways .

collegehockeynews.com has standings and I **think** they're correct for the ECAC. https://www.collegehockeynews.com/women/standings.php

[hab]

collegehockeynews.com has standings and I **think** they're correct for the ECAC. https://www.collegehockeynews.com/women/standings.php

Total conference points for each team seem to be right, but they too make the calculation more confusing than it needs to be, because they do not show the number of conference ties, just the overall ties.

[Earl_Leatherland]

Hi Earl, because of some miscalculations on the ECAC site, the current standings seem a bit different than this. I've tried to show the point totals on the "ECAC '24-25: Who rebuilds? Who reloads?" thread. But the tiebreaking procedures are also unclear, and I wanted to seek your input on that, in any case: do you know what is prioritized, head-to-head, goal differential, etc.?

It is funny you are asking this because I was just doing more research on this. Trying to see what factor they may be putting into the standings.

At the beginning of the year I always just utilize the USCHO site and say 'Eh...it's not right but enough games have not been played, so who cares.'

But then I think 'The teams care because it makes a difference in their stature and positioning in polls.' (not that anyone used USCHO for that but it helps me understand where everyone is, relatively, when I can't watch every game)

Then I do what you are probably doing right now...scratching your head and saying:

'Did they change the way points are calculated this season because I don't see how team 1 is ahead of team 2 based on win, loss, tie, otw, otl, s.o. record?'

'Can I factor pairwise? npi? krach? to make these numbers make sense? wait...krach isn't used anymore? what was krach anyway?'

Then I devolve into questioning my mathematical and hockey knowledge and say 'I should probably do some work'.

Hope that helps!

[Earl_Leatherland]

Here is an example of where I always get lost: and this is from college hockey news:

ECAC Women (Today: November 11, 2024)

Q-Pac
RW 3 RL 0 OW 1 OL 1
so that should be
9 + 2 + 1 = 12? Right (but it says 13.5)

Brown
RW 3 RL 1 OW 1 OL 1
9 + 2 + 1 = 12 And that is what it shows

Now, USCHO shows
Q-Pac
W4 L1 T1 OW1 OL1 SO1
12 + 1.5 + 2 + 1 + ? = 16.5?

So, 13.5 makes more sense for these numbers.
If I think they are factoring in the 1 otw into the 4 wins then:
12 + 1.5 gives me the 13.5 from college hockey news.

that's right, i have to get some work done

[BowWowWow]

Here is an example of where I always get lost: and this is from college hockey news:

ECAC Women (Today: November 11, 2024)

Q-Pac
RW 3 RL 0 OW 1 OL 1
so that should be
9 + 2 + 1 = 12? Right (but it says 13.5)

Brown
RW 3 RL 1 OW 1 OL 1
9 + 2 + 1 = 12 And that is what it shows

Now, USCHO shows
Q-Pac
W4 L1 T1 OW1 OL1 SO1
12 + 1.5 + 2 + 1 + ? = 16.5?

So, 13.5 makes more sense for these numbers.
If I think they are factoring in the 1 otw into the 4 wins then:
12 + 1.5 gives me the 13.5 from college hockey news.

that's right, i have to get some work done

Yes, it looks right to me for the college hockey news site - as you said Quinnipiac's record includes 3 regulation wins (for 9 points), 1 overtime win (2 points), 1 overtime loss (1 point), and one tie/shootout win (1.5 points), so I think 13.5 points total. (In ECAC women's points, a shootout win counts the same as a shootout loss, 1.5 points).

Yes, it seems USCHO is correct that Brown has 12 points. I like hab's suggestion of ranking by win percentage. That would put Colgate on top (3 reg wins and one OT win in 4 games played), rather than Quinnipiac with their 6 games. But things will be more synced up at some point in the season - maybe only the last week.