Ohio State Buckeyes 2022-2023 ... The Drive For Duluth

[Hockeybuckeye]

I'd like to say something about coach Muzerall.
Even though she's gained nicknames like The Muzzinator and looks like the iron maiden behind the bench totally abusing her energy gum she's actually very friendly and personable.
After our win on Alumni Night when she came off the ice a large group of her former players mobbed her jumping up and down screaming. They love her to death.
I have every reason to believe when she recruits it's very easy for prospects to connect with her and like her instantly. That can be a major factor in getting a commitment.
(But TimothyA should still be afraid of her!)

[Lindsay]

It's not my "whole point".

My whole point is that Grace wasn't 'forced' out. Had she come back to Wisconsin, she'd have been in the same position she has been in her other years, and it would have VERY little to do with transfer players..

That is VERY different than the position that Muzerall and OSU have put Brooke Bink in. Had Bink come back, she'd have been forced by the multiple transfers onto the bench and maybe off the bench altogether.

You can keep trying to equate the two, but they are simple not 'equal'.

Was it reported somewhere that Shirley was welcome back and would get the same scholarship money as a fifth year that she averaged during her 4 years there?

[osualum86]

The roster page for 2022-23 at the OSU web site lists 13 forwards. I count 17 for 2023-24, and that is accounting for the two transferring out. Do I have that wrong somehow?

The roster page is not correct as it is still listing players that went into the transfer portal, and also players who are not coming back. You'll have to excuse the people who update our website. If it's football or men's basketball, it gets updated right away. Women's Hockey doesn't get that same treatment, unfortunately, so it is still showing all the departed players. And to be completely honest, I was wrong myself as we actually have three players who decided to not come back for their extra year, so we have actually lost 13 players. In addition to Brooke Bink and Teagan Grant, Ramsey Parent, a forward who also had an extra year of eligibility, will not be coming back. I can tell you that all three decided to move on with their lives. None were forced out by our Coach as some like to speculate. All three graduated this past Sunday and not everyone decides to go to grad school. Tatum Skaggs, a top line forward, decided not to come back for her extra year after the 2020-21 season and I am 100% sure Coach Muzerall would liked to have had her on the 2021-22 team, although things worked out for that team. Some kids are just ready to be done with school and get on with their lives. Teagan Grant transferred here from Wisconsin, as well as Makenna Webster, but you won't see me stooping to denigrate Mark Johnson and falsely accuse him of "forcing players out" like some are constantly saying about our Coach.

[robertearle]

The roster page is not correct as it is still listing players that went into the transfer portal, and also players who are not coming back.

(You updated your post while I was typing, so now I'll have to update this.)

Well, of course it's not correct for next year! My post was in response to your comment "We lost 12 players from last year's team. She has brought in 10 new players to replace them". That why I quoted your comment in the response, so the context would be apparent.

You were saying that the transfers were to replace players lost. But five of the transfers are forwards. As are the four incoming freshmen. "Replacing" departing forwards was largely done with incoming freshmen. If you are going from 13 forwards one year to 17 the next, you are doing more than simply "replacing" players.

Now, I have since been informed that two of last year's forwards with eligibility remaining have chosen to not use that eligibility. So the numbers are 13 forwards last year, and 15 for this coming year. Not as drastic. But still more than simply "replacing".

But again, my question remains: you guys have seven players choosing to not return (not including non-roster Alaina Giampietro) despite having eligibility remaining; which came first? The seven players choosing to not return, necessitating their "replacing"? Or the signing up of six transfers, causing seven players to choose to not return? You want to imply that the transfers are simply "replacements". But is that truly the case?

(And if it truly the case that the seven decided to leave first, necessitating "replacing", that would mean that more than 25% of last year's roster is *choosing* to leave unprompted. If that's the case... umm... YIKES!)

[osualum86]

I'd like to say something about coach Muzerall. Even though she's gained nicknames like The Muzzinator and looks like the iron maiden behind the bench totally abusing her energy gum she's actually very friendly and personable. After our win on Alumni Night when she came off the ice a large group of her former players mobbed her jumping up and down screaming. They love her to death.

This! The trolls who are constantly on here denigrating her and saying she is "smug" and "arrogant" have no clue who she is. Think they should watch the video (below) and maybe educate themselves on our Coach's humble beginnings. She has always worked very hard for everything she has accomplished and the reason she is so successful is because she outworks most of the other coaches. I doubt if she would be so endearing to current and former players (and us fans, too) if she was really "smug" and "arrogant" like some seem to think. She has never come across as "smug" and "arrogant" to me, ever. Hope she stays here until she is ready to retire! The trolls are really going to hate her when we have a new arena in 2026 and their coaches can't use the OSU Ice Rink to negative recruit against us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw026GeuOKc&t=6s

[robertearle]

[QUOTE=osualum86;n3811441]

This! The trolls who are constantly on here denigrating her and saying she is "smug" and "arrogant" {/QUOTE]

For the record, I have never said anything of the sort.

[osualum86]

Well, of course it's not correct for next year! My post was in response to your comment "We lost 12 players from last year's team. She has brought in 10 new players to replace them". That why I quoted your comment in the response, so the context would be apparent.

You were saying that the transfers were to replace players lost. But five of the transfers are forwards. As are the four incoming freshmen. "Replacing" departing forwards was largely done with incoming freshmen. If you are going from 13 forwards one year to 17 the next, you are doing more than simply "replacing" players.

Now, I have since been informed that two of last year's forwards with eligibility remaining have chosen to not use that eligibility. So the numbers are 13 forwards last year, and 15 for this coming year. Not as drastic, but still more than simply "replacing".

And again, my question remains: you guys have six players choosing to not return (not including non-roster Alaina Giampietro) despite having eligibility remaining; which came first? The six players choosing to not return, necessitating their "replacing"? Or the signing up of six transfers, causing six players to choose to not return? You want to imply that the transfers are simply "replacements". But is that truly the case?

(And if it truly the case that the six decided to leave first, necessitating "replacing", that would mean that roughly 25% of last year's roster is *choosing* to leave. If that's the case... umm... YIKES!)

Our five players (not six) chose to enter the transfer portal before we picked up any transfers, so that would indicate they made their decisions first, not the other way around. Two of the three players who did not decide to come back for their extra year were also forwards, so did we bring in more forwards than we lost? By my count, no, as we had 14 forwards last season (counting Alaina Giampietro, 13 if you don't count her), and we have 14 now. Six have returned from last season (I'll just list here, numerically, as I look at the roster).

#10 Jenna Buglioni
#11 Kenzie Hauswirth
#12 Jennifer Gardiner
#20 Makenna Webster
#22 Sloane Matthews
#28 Sofie Lundin

Those are the only forwards returning.

We have four new recruits coming in, and they are all forwards.

Jocelyn Amos
Jordan Baxter
Joy Dunne
Delaney Fleming

We brought in six players through the transfer portal with four of the six being forwards. This brings the total forwards up to 14, same as last year, or one extra forward if you decide to not count Giampietro. If Giampietro is counted, we lost eight forwards and replaced them with eight forwards. If you want to not count Giampietro, we brought in an extra forward.

Hannah Bilka
Kelsey King
Olivia Mobley
Kiara Zanon

I am actually more concerned about the blue line where we only have six Ds on the roster at the present time (four returning players and two from the transfer portal). Coach normally only plays three lines of Ds, so that should be fine, provided we don't have any injuries. If one of the Ds gets hurt, Coach is going to have to get creative at that end of the ice.

[robertearle]

Our five players (not six) chose to enter the transfer portal before we picked up any transfers, so that would indicate they made their decisions first, not the other way around. Did we bring in more forwards than we lost? By my count, no, as we had 14 forwards last season (counting Alaina Giampietro, 13 if you don't count her), and we have 14 now. Six have returned from last season (I'll just list here, numerically, as I look at the roster).

#10 Jenna Buglioni
#11 Kenzie Hauswirth
#12 Jennifer Gardiner
#20 Makenna Webster
#22 Sloane Matthews
#28 Sofie Lundin

Those are the only forwards returning.

We have four new recruits coming in, and they are all forwards.

Jocelyn Amos
Jordan Baxter
Joy Dunne
Delaney Fleming

We brought in six players through the transfer portal with four of the six being forwards. This brings the total forwards up to 14, same as last year, or one extra forward if you decide to not count Giampietro.

Hannah Bilka
Kelsey King
Olivia Mobley
Kiara Zanon

Of our five who entered the transfer portal, three of them landed somewhere, not sure about the other two.

I was counting Markowski in with the forwards. My mistake. With so much coming and going, it's hard to keep track.

But you have seven players with remaining eligibility choosing to not come back (not including Giampietro) The four others who entered the portal, and now Bink, Grant, and Parent. More than 25% of last year's roster who are choosing to not return, even though they have eligibility. To me, that's a "Yikes!".

[osualum86]

[QUOTE=robertearle;n3811444]

This! The trolls who are constantly on here denigrating her and saying she is "smug" and "arrogant" {/QUOTE]

For the record, I have never said anything of the sort.

I am well aware that you have never said that. I wasn't referring to you. Sorry you thought I was referring to you.

[osualum86]

I was counting Markowski in with the forwards. My mistake. With so much coming and going, it's hard to keep track.

But you have seven players with remaining eligibility choosing to not come back (not including Giampietro) The four others who entered the portal, and now Bink, Grant, and Parent. More than 25% of last year's roster who are choosing to not return, even though they have eligibility. To me, that's a "Yikes!".

I agree with you about it being hard to keep track. I actually counted and recounted on that long post about the returning players and new players. The reason I am not saying "yikes" is as I said earlier, not everyone decides to come back for grad school, and that is the case with the three seniors. All were ready to move forward to the next chapter of their lives, not a "yikes" situation to me. Of the four transfers (I'll say four since you don't count Giampietro), two were not playing so they left to get more playing time. That is not a "yikes" situation to me as any kid wants to go where they can play. That leaves two players that were a surprise that they left (Jarvis and Morrow). Not sure why those two left as they were playing, maybe not as much as they wanted, but they were getting playing time. Those were the only two that caught me and some other fans off guard. 2 out of 26 (I'll say 26 since you don't count Alaina Giampietro) is 8%, and that does not constitute a "yikes" situation for me. I would call the whole thing "yikes" if all these players were getting a bunch of playing time on our top lines and decided to leave anyway.

[Offsides Guy]

[QUOTE=osualum86;n3811451]

I am well aware that you have never said that. I wasn't referring to you. Sorry you thought I was referring to you.

You’re likely referring to me and I stand by my description. As I mentioned, I base my thoughts on her postgame interviews in which, if you watch them without OSU goggles on, she often arrogantly credits herself as much as her players when they win a tough game as well as smug comments I know she’s made on at least one occasion to opposing players. (I’d like to provide details on this but I don’t out of respect for the involved players.) None of this is trolling. It’s my honest impression and I’m fairly certain I’m not alone in my opinions.

Also, again, I believe she may be the best women’s hockey coach in the country as proven by her building OSU into a national powerhouse. I just don’t like her style.

[ARM]

Having watched tOSU's coach during both her playing and coaching days, and having spoken to her during the latter, I wouldn't described her as either smug nor arrogant. I do understand where those thoughts come from. Instead, I'd use adjectives like competitive and supremely passionate and confident in herself and her program. She's not afraid to step outside of the box and isn't particularly concerned about how others may view her. Not dull nor safe.

Less informed opinions as to how her players might view her ... Do I think all of her players love her as a coach? No, at least not to the extent that might be true of some other coaches' programs. I think she herself has stated that her approach isn't for everyone. I'd guess that even those who choose to leave her program have respect for her, but she doesn't play the deepest rotation. Thus, I would think some are going to leave because they feel that they weren't afforded the opportunity that they deserved. I think that's true of most rosters, particularly those that are loaded with talent. If supporters think that nobody is leaving because they are unhappy, they haven't spent much time around big-time athletics.

[Offsides Guy]

Having watched tOSU's coach during both her playing and coaching days, and having spoken to her during the latter, I wouldn't described her as either smug nor arrogant. I do understand where those thoughts come from. Instead, I'd use adjectives like competitive and supremely passionate and confident in herself and her program. She's not afraid to step outside of the box and isn't particularly concerned about how others may view her. Not dull nor safe.

Tomayto/tomahto (wink)

[Hockeybuckeye]

[QUOTE=Offsides Guy;n3811476]

You’re likely referring to me and I stand by my description. As I mentioned, I base my thoughts on her postgame interviews in which, if you watch them without OSU goggles on, she often arrogantly credits herself as much as her players when they win a tough game as well as smug comments I know she’s made on at least one occasion to opposing players. (I’d like to provide details on this but I don’t out of respect for the involved players.) None of this is trolling. It’s my honest impression and I’m fairly certain I’m not alone in my opinions.

Also, again, I believe she may be the best women’s hockey coach in the country as proven by her building OSU into a national powerhouse. I just don’t like her style.

OK, you say you're not trolling and it's your opinion. I have opinions too but I'm old and experienced enough to know some of my opinions would be distasteful or disrespectful to publicly post so I keep the to myself.
We may pick on and occasionally jerk each other's chains here on forum but I think the general opinion is unless a coach is guilty of wrongdoing we don't speak in negative terms of others coaches.

[Offsides Guy]

[QUOTE=Hockeybuckeye;n3811518]

OK, you say you're not trolling and it's your opinion. I have opinions too but I'm old and experienced enough to know some of my opinions would be distasteful or disrespectful to publicly post so I keep the to myself.
We may pick on and occasionally jerk each other's chains here on forum but I think the general opinion is unless a coach is guilty of wrongdoing we don't speak in negative terms of others coaches.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. In my mind, coaches are always open to criticisms and second guessing as well as praise. And a coach’s style is a key element of their overall philosophy and approach thus definitely not beyond criticism.