Ohio State Buckeyes 2022-2023 ... The Drive For Duluth

[Offsides Guy]

Pretty bold and unfounded comment. Can you name a player she "betrayed"? You forget once an NLI is signed and submitted it's a binding contract that can't be broken unless both coach and player agree. No signed player has been told no thanks! Prove what you say or don't say it.

I will answer your question with a question. Would you be comfortable sending your daughter to play at Ohio State knowing Muzz’s commitment to liberally using the transfer portal reduces the odds of your daughter getting to where she wants to be in the program? I would not.

As I have said before, players expect to compete and earn playing time against their peers and underclassmen brought in after them. They don’t join a program expecting to compete with superstars brought in via the transfer portal. That’s got to be at least somewhat demoralizing for a kid who’s busted her butt for, say, 2 or 3 years thinking she’s finally earned a top spot only to have some stud senior jump on the team via the portal and take her spot away.

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

I will answer your question with a question. Would you be comfortable sending your daughter to play at Ohio State knowing Muzz’s commitment to liberally using the transfer portal reduces the odds of your daughter getting to where she wants to be in the program? I would not.

As I have said before, players expect to compete and earn playing time against their peers and underclassmen brought in after them. They don’t join a program expecting to compete with superstars brought in via the transfer portal. That’s got to be at least somewhat demoralizing for a kid who’s busted her butt for, say, 2 or 3 years thinking she’s finally earned a top spot only to have some stud senior jump on the team via the portal and take her spot away.

Hey, if your Jocelyn Amos, Jordan Baxter, Joy Dunne, and Delaney Flemming, you are more than happy to be called upon to play a role, whether that's playing lower line minutes or even occassionaly sitting one out for the priviedge of being on the Muzzinator's team. All (most likey less) for one and one for all.

"The Muzzinator gonna muzzinate"

[Hockeybuckeye]

I will answer your question with a question. Would you be comfortable sending your daughter to play at Ohio State knowing Muzz’s commitment to liberally using the transfer portal reduces the odds of your daughter getting to where she wants to be in the program? I would not.

As I have said before, players expect to compete and earn playing time against their peers and underclassmen brought in after them. They don’t join a program expecting to compete with superstars brought in via the transfer portal. That’s got to be at least somewhat demoralizing for a kid who’s busted her butt for, say, 2 or 3 years thinking she’s finally earned a top spot only to have some stud senior jump on the team via the portal and take her spot away.

First of all no prospect has a right to go to the program they want to play for, the coach has to offer them. If a coach offers to a prospect by the rules a coach can withdraw the offer before a NLI is signed. There's a big difference between a verbal commitment and a signed commitment! That's how it's always been.
My daughter was a D1 athlete and had to get on the watch list of numerous programs and not all she wanted to play for offered her, though many did. By your strange logic you say by using the transfer portal Muzerall is somehow disenfranchising girls who could come here? Ever coach uses the portal so are they all guilty? We lost 12 players and it's a coaches JOB to reload by whatever means withing the rules to give their program the best chance of success.
Those potential freshmen, if they were at the skill level to play at a top tier program would be recruited but many are not. If they're "denied" there's a reason. Our incoming freshmen were some of the most sought recruits in the USA and Canada. If you want to play for Ohio State that's the level you need to be at!
If a girl wants a chance to play in college there's plenty of spots open in the schools whose players bailed into the portal, right?
Go troll Frost or Johnson for using the portal blocking girls who want to go there. LOL! I think you're just upset because the Muzzinator is the most successful coach utilizing the portal taking those you were hopeful for your team. (Wink)

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

Go troll Frost or Johnson for using the portal blocking girls who want to go there. LOL! I think you're just upset because the Muzzinator is the most successful coach utilizing the portal taking those you were hopeful for your team. (Wink)

There is really not much to troll...

Did any Bemidji supporter have "hope" that any of the top transfers were going to land there?

[Offsides Guy]

First of all no prospect has a right to go to the program they want to play for, the coach has to offer them. If a coach offers to a prospect by the rules a coach can withdraw the offer before a NLI is signed. There's a big difference between a verbal commitment and a signed commitment! That's how it's always been.
My daughter was a D1 athlete and had to get on the watch list of numerous programs and not all she wanted to play for offered her, though many did. By your strange logic you say by using the transfer portal Muzerall is somehow disenfranchising girls who could come here? Ever coach uses the portal so are they all guilty? We lost 12 players and it's a coaches JOB to reload by whatever means withing the rules to give their program the best chance of success.
Those potential freshmen, if they were at the skill level to play at a top tier program would be recruited but many are not. If they're "denied" there's a reason. Our incoming freshmen were some of the most sought recruits in the USA and Canada. If you want to play for Ohio State that's the level you need to be at!
If a girl wants a chance to play in college there's plenty of spots open in the schools whose players bailed into the portal, right?
Go troll Frost or Johnson for using the portal blocking girls who want to go there. LOL! I think you're just upset because the Muzzinator is the most successful coach utilizing the portal taking those you were hopeful for your team. (Wink)

I must not have conveyed my thoughts clearly. I’m not talking about transfers impacting recruits. I’m talking about players already on the team. My daughter also played D1 hockey and I promise you, if she’d busted her butt to earn a top-2-lines spot by her Jr or Sr season only to have a superstar, 5th-year player come in and take the spot she feels she earned, she’d be ****ed - as I think any competitive player in that situation would be. Yes, this may happen on any team who might take 1 or 2 transfers a season but Muzz flat out says it’s how she plans on keeping OSU on top so it seems it’s much more likely to happen at OSU than on the other top teams. This is why I think Muzz’s liberal use of the portal could cause some recruits to decline her offers.

Re Muzz in general, I believe I’ve said before I think she’s quite possibly the best women’s hockey coach in the country. No one can argue with what she’s done with the OSU program. I’ve just never been a fan of her style which comes off to me as smug and arrogant based on her postgame comments and what I know she’s said on at least one occasion to opposing players. She’s a lot like Jim Harbaugh of MI football and Kim Mulkey of LSU women’s bball. Gotta respect their accomplishments but not necessarily everything about how they achieved them.

[bodyup88]

Mulkey and Muzz have at least won a title. Harbaugh......

[Offsides Guy]

Mulkey and Muzz have at least won a title. Harbaugh......

Ha! True!

[Offsides Guy]

Show me where after the season is over there's a rules violation if the player initiated the contact? Are you really in the dark that many players going into the portal don't have it pre-arranged with their new team?
And if you don't think "genius" is the right word what word would you use or would you be in trouble with the forum moderators or have the guts to go there?
For those unhappy with the stellar success of our coach's recruiting just wait until after next season when YOUR top talent announce they're now Buckeyes! LOL!!

It does seem to me that the higher level players entering the portal have to have a very good idea of where they’re going before they put their name in. I am NOT accusing any coaches of any violations but would, say, Zanon really enter the portal without some assurances a better team or at least a specific team would take her? I mean, once a player enters the portal, it feels like they’ve reached the point of no return with their current team so, at least with high-end players, they better already have somewhere better to land.

Again, not accusing, anybody of anything, and this absolutely applies to talented players who’ve left Ohio State as well.

[Reddington]

The loophole as Lindsay already pointed out is when the players talk to each other.

[Offsides Guy]

The loophole as Lindsay already pointed out is when the players talk to each other.

Yep, but think of how big that loophole must be. Those players would have to at least believe they are speaking on behalf of the coach to give the potential transfer the assurance that entering the portal would work out as the transfer athlete wants it to. A little surprising the NCAA doesn’t tighten that up. It’s one thing to say, hey, come to our school we have a great team, great coach, great program. It’s another to say, come to our team; I can assure you our coach will offer when you get in the portal.

[robertearle]

Yep, but think of how big that loophole must be. Those players would have to at least believe they are speaking on behalf of the coach to give the potential transfer the assurance that entering the portal would work out as the transfer athlete wants it to. A little surprising the NCAA doesn’t tighten that up. It’s one thing to say, hey, come to our school we have a great team, great coach, great program. It’s another to say, come to our team; I can assure you our coach will offer when you get in the portal.

Player A from school One who knows player B from school Two because they played together in high school or from club or national teams, etc. talking to one another is OK. Coach from school One saying to player A "Hey, go feel out player B about transferring here" is not OK. That would be an improper contact, because player A would be acting as a representative of the school. How you police that is another thing, and a big problem. But it is very much an improper contact and against the rules.

[Timothy A]

It does seem to me that the higher level players entering the portal have to have a very good idea of where they’re going before they put their name in. I am NOT accusing any coaches of any violations but would, say, Zanon really enter the portal without some assurances a better team or at least a specific team would take her?

Especially in terms of money. You'd have to know that for sure, otherwise are you really going to pay your own way at OSU just because you want to Muzzinate? Nope.

[Reddington]

No doubt players are taking a discount to play for OSU.

[Hockeybuckeye]

Especially in terms of money. You'd have to know that for sure, otherwise are you really going to pay your own way at OSU just because you want to Muzzinate? Nope.

All sports have preferred walk on's.

[Timothy A]

All sports have preferred walk on's.

You hear that term used a lot in football for sure and maybe basketball. I have not heard it used in the world of hockey. Is that just a way to define a partial scholarship player? Are the number of scholarships regulated by the ncaa, league or a school? And then it gets complicated because you have in state tuition and out of state tuition. Of course my perspective is from a public institutional perspective. I can recall from men's hockey where a canadian player gets a full scholarship and a kid from wisconsin would only get a partial due to the tuition cost difference.