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  • Originally posted by robertearle View Post

    Glad to hear you're OK, Michael.
    I looked for you when the Gophers were in Madison, but didn't see you.

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    • Originally posted by Still Eeyore View Post

      I looked for you when the Gophers were in Madison, but didn't see you.
      That weekend was also the first weekend of NCAA volleyball tournament, and my niece and her family were in town to go to that - I'm also a season ticket holder for UW VB. I might have been up for trying 'doubleheaders' those two days, but they weren't. So VB won, and I missed the series altogether. Maybe that was a good thing!

      (At my niece's hotel on Saturday, we were on the elevator with someone who was obviously a Gopher player, so I asked her - Josey Dunne. We chatted for a few minutes about how Friday had gone, etc. Nice kid. Injured, not playing that weekend.)

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      • https://www.ncaa.com/news/icehockey-...kazmaier-award

        With the end of the regular season right around the corner, here are 10 candidates for the 2022 Patty Kazmaier Award —?college hockey's highest individual award.

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        • Originally posted by Still Eeyore View Post

          I lurk. I confess that I'm feeling a bit vindicated about my rant about Gopher fans writing this team off.

          I also confess that I do not remember the post in question.
          I'll admit I was too hard on them early on. It has been mostly enjoyable watching this team progress as the season has gone on.

          At the outset, we could hang with the dude...

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          • Originally posted by FiveHoleFrenzy View Post

            I'll admit I was too hard on them early on. It has been mostly enjoyable watching this team progress as the season has gone on.
            I should note that they have also turned out better than I expected. My position at the time was:

            1) Wisconsin and Ohio State are really good teams. There's nothing especially wrong with finishing third in the WCHA this year;
            2) Finishing third in the WCHA would have meant that they were the fourth or fifth best team in the country.

            I stand by both positions, and even if they weren't about to win the WCHA regular season title, this would still have been a good team.

            I think Minnesota fans have let the success from 2011-16 go to their heads. It simply isn't reasonable to expect that they are going to be winning titles every year. And the way that they have gone about expressing their disappointment has been dismaying. They are not terrible, and they have never even closely resembled being terrible. They are, year in and year out, a very good team. But, with Ohio State building a serious program, there are three teams in the WCHA that are, year in and year out, very good. Do the math. I think Gopher fans need to show a bit more maturity about that.

            Two other observations:

            1) There is a lot of criticism of Madelaine Worthington around here, both for being a puck hog and the related issue of turnovers. I think this betrays a lack of observation, first, because it ignores a lot of positive developments that come from her play. The second is that this isn't really about Worthington. Brad Frost teams always have at least one defenseman who is authorized to carry the puck the length of the ice and jump into the play in the offensive zone. Based upon skill sets, Worthington is probably the best choice for this role. She doesn't play the way she does because she's a puck hog. She plays the way she does because that's the way Frost wants her to play. The same thing is true of the stretch passes; I often find them frustrating, too, but that's about Frost's coaching, not the players. She isn't as good at it as Megan Bozek, or Lee Stecklein, or Rachel Ramsey. Get used to that, because there aren't more than about five players in the world who are as good at it as they were when they were on this team.

            2) There was a lot of angst about recruiting, and some top players decommitting from Minnesota. Again, people weren't paying attention to the context. This had nothing to do with any sort of deep problems with the program. It had to do with the assistant coach who was the primary point of contact for a lot of recruits, especially those who played under him on the U-18 teams, leaving to take a head coaching position somewhere else. Anyone who thought that Joel Johnson leaving wouldn't result in some decommits was kidding themselves.

            Everyone needs to take a couple of deep breaths and enjoy watching some hockey games.
            Last edited by Still Eeyore; 02-18-2022, 04:35 PM.

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            • Originally posted by Still Eeyore View Post

              I should note that they have also turned out better than I expected. My position at the time was:

              1) Wisconsin and Ohio State are really good teams. There's nothing especially wrong with finishing third in the WCHA this year;
              2) Finishing third in the WCHA would have meant that they were the fourth or fifth best team in the country.

              I stand by both positions, and even if they weren't about to win the WCHA regular season title, this would still have been a good team.

              I think Minnesota fans have let the success from 2011-16 go to their heads. It simply isn't reasonable to expect that they are going to be winning titles every year. And the way that they have gone about expressing their disappointment has been dismaying. They are not terrible, and they have never even closely resembled being terrible. They are, year in and year out, a very good team. But, with Ohio State building a serious program, there are three teams in the WCHA that are, year in and year out, very good. Do the math. I think Gopher fans need to show a bit more maturity about that.

              Two other observations:

              1) There is a lot of criticism of Madelaine Worthington around here, both for being a puck hog and the related issue of turnovers. I think this betrays a lack of observation, first, because it ignores a lot of positive developments that come from her play. The second is that this isn't really about Worthington. Brad Frost teams always have at least one defenseman who is authorized to carry the puck the length of the ice and jump into the play in the offensive zone. Based upon skill sets, Worthington is probably the best choice for this role. She doesn't play the way she does because she's a puck hog. She plays the way she does because that's the way Frost wants her to play. The same thing is true of the stretch passes; I often find them frustrating, too, but that's about Frost's coaching, not the players. She isn't as good at it as Megan Bozek, or Lee Stecklein, or Rachel Ramsey. Get used to that, because there aren't more than about five players in the world who are as good at it as they were when they were on this team.

              2) There was a lot of angst about recruiting, and some top players decommitting from Minnesota. Again, people weren't paying attention to the context. This had nothing to do with any sort of deep problems with the program. It had to do with the assistant coach who was the primary point of contact for a lot of recruits, especially those who played under him on the U-18 teams, leaving to take a head coaching position somewhere else. Anyone who thought that Joel Johnson leaving wouldn't result in some decommits was kidding themselves.

              Everyone needs to take a couple of deep breaths and enjoy watching some hockey games.
              lol

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              • Originally posted by KTDC View Post
                lol
                Are you laughing at the Worthington piece? That's what made me laugh.

                Michael, you have some good points; good to see you around.

                "... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
                And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling

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                • Originally posted by ARM View Post
                  Are you laughing at the Worthington piece? That's what made me laugh.

                  Michael, you have some good points; good to see you around.
                  See that's the thing that would have been really funny if that was done as a sarcastic bit.

                  Or maybe the Wethington camp paid him to spin #5's proclivity to hang onto the puck?
                  At the outset, we could hang with the dude...

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                  • Originally posted by ARM View Post
                    Are you laughing at the Worthington piece? That's what made me laugh.

                    Michael, you have some good points; good to see you around.
                    Worthington; Wethington. I get confused.

                    Much of my time at work lately has been spent dealing with problems at a site in Worthington, so I've been writing that a lot.
                    Last edited by Still Eeyore; 02-18-2022, 06:23 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by Still Eeyore View Post
                      Worthington; Wethington. I get confused.

                      Much of my time at work lately has been spent dealing with problems at a site in Worthington, so I've been writing that a lot.
                      Yeah, it gave me a chuckle. It had a little of the feel of "Animal House" and Belushi saying, "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
                      "... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
                      And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling

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                      • Who is this #5? Maybe she is Madeline Worthington. Whoever she is she was passing the puck and even did a stretch pass in the first period today...
                        At the outset, we could hang with the dude...

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                        • Originally posted by FiveHoleFrenzy View Post
                          Who is this #5? Maybe she is Madeline Worthington. Whoever she is she was passing the puck and even did a stretch pass in the first period today...
                          That pass to set up the first goal was very nice!

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                          • Make up penalty!
                            Make up penalty on St Thomas!!

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                            • Originally posted by KTDC View Post

                              lol
                              You're right. I need to reassess whether Wisconsin is a very good team.

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                              • Do they have the banner hung yet?

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