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  • Originally posted by clubaclub View Post
    Big news coming down to Madison...soon... stay tuned..
    We're a week out from "big news soon"...

    How soon?

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    • Originally posted by robertearle View Post

      We're a week out from "big news soon"...

      How soon?
      I am going to guess the news will come once Compher is accepted into grad school.

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      • I don’t understand the interest in Compher since the Badger women will have 13 Fs next season unless someone is looking to transfer or flip a commitment. The following season they will have 15Fswith the addition of Vasseur, Hall, and Gorbatenko - if nobody transfers or flips commitments. It isn’t until the next Olympic year (25-26) for which current roster projections have major shortages at F and D that will need to be addressed.

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        • Originally posted by Patricio View Post
          I don’t understand the interest in Compher since the Badger women will have 13 Fs next season unless someone is looking to transfer or flip a commitment. The following season they will have 15Fswith the addition of Vasseur, Hall, and Gorbatenko - if nobody transfers or flips commitments. It isn’t until the next Olympic year (25-26) for which current roster projections have major shortages at F and D that will need to be addressed.
          (I really have no idea whether the news is Compher or not. But...)

          This isn't the NFL draft. If an Olympic forward calls you up and says "I want to come to your university for grad school, and as long as I'm there, I may as well play some hockey", what you gonna do? Say no?

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          • Originally posted by robertearle View Post

            (I really have no idea whether the news is Compher or not. But...)

            This isn't the NFL draft. If an Olympic forward calls you up and says "I want to come to your university for grad school, and as long as I'm there, I may as well play some hockey", what you gonna do? Say no?
            I agree, look at UMD last season, they had 13 forward on the roster when Gigure called, they took her, and had two in the stands, until one transferred at semester. I think any team would be happy to add a talented player to their team, no matter how many they currently have.

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            • Originally posted by Patricio View Post
              I don’t understand the interest in Compher since the Badger women will have 13 Fs next season unless someone is looking to transfer or flip a commitment. The following season they will have 15Fswith the addition of Vasseur, Hall, and Gorbatenko - if nobody transfers or flips commitments. It isn’t until the next Olympic year (25-26) for which current roster projections have major shortages at F and D that will need to be addressed.
              She's a proven commodity, whereas the Freshmen, though highly regarded, are still unproven. And you would see her play ahead of someone like GS for sure.
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              • On the issue of portal transfers, when you have a surfeit of players at a position, I prefer playing players who have committed to you out of high school and those on the current roster who will be returning. Supposedly commits were recruited based on expectations that they would respond to coaching and develop to a suitable playing level – admittedly some will be better than others. But they decided to commit based on an understanding they would have an opportunity to play.

                A situation like this year’s with the loss of so many players to the Olympics team is one in which transfers are acceptable. But, for me, it seems unfair to both the incoming recruits and the returning players to turn to the portal when you have a full roster. And the Badgers already actually have a surplus of players for the next two years barring transfers and/or commitment flips. Frankly, for returning players (e.g., GS) who have not been given much quality time, it would be an incentive to transfer ala Greig and Grant before their playing careers were over. For incoming commitments, it might raise questions about the expectations they had (perhaps even been given) for playing time and decisions to flip to other teams that seemed more certain to offer opportunities.

                So, as for Compher, I am less enthusiastic about offering her a spot on the roster should she be thinking of possibly entering graduate school here. The roster looks more than adequate with the incoming classes the next two years, and I would prefer to honor the new commitments and the returning players to come and stay by investing in them. Even if they fall short of some of the expectations held for them, they still should be formidable.

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                • ”So, as for Compher, I am less enthusiastic about offering her a spot on the roster should she be thinking of possibly entering graduate school here. The roster looks more than adequate with the incoming classes the next two years, and I would prefer to honor the new commitments and the returning players to come and stay by investing in them. Even if they fall short of some of the expectations held for them, they still should be formidable.”



                  I agree with your views, however that’s just not reality in NCAA D1 sports today, unfortunately.
                  OSU set the standard last season by dropping committed players (some committed for many years) in favor of proven, experienced transfers. Can’t argue with the end result. The ends justified the means, some would say. UW and others want/need to win now, not 4 years from now after they have “invested” in their recruits.

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                  • Originally posted by Sieve1 View Post
                    UW and others want/need to win now, not 4 years from now after they have “invested” in their recruits.
                    I don't think I'd say schools like WI "need" to win any more national championships. In fact, they've already won so many I find myself rooting against them, MN, and UMD. Having the same few schools winning the title so often is boring. I'm not saying that what those teams have done isn't impressive. I'm just tired of the same teams winning the title all the time. I'm so glad we have a new champion this year. Look at this all-time list of championships per school:

                    WI - 6
                    MN - 6
                    UMD - 5
                    Clarkson - 3
                    tOSU - 1

                    Congratulations to Ohio State on becoming just the 5th school to ever have won the NCAA title!

                    If we add in the 3 AWCHA champions the all- time winners list looks like this:

                    MN - 7 (00, 04, 05, 12, 13, 15, 16)
                    WI - 6 (06, 07, 09, 11, 19, 21)
                    UMD - 5 (01, 02, 03, 08, 10)
                    Clarkson - 3 (14, 17, 18)
                    tOSU - 1 (22)
                    Harvard - 1 (99)
                    UNH - 1 (98)

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                    • [QUOTE=Sieve1; I agree with your views, however that’s just not reality in NCAA D1 sports today, unfortunately.
                      OSU set the standard last season by dropping committed players (some committed for many years) in favor of proven, experienced transfers. Can’t argue with the end result. The ends justified the means, some would say. UW and others want/need to win now, not 4 years from now after they have “invested” in their recruits.
                      [/QUOTE]

                      Is it the reality that women's hockey is about winning at all costs? Should it be? We on the forum had the question posed about what Nadine Muzerall's transfer strategy would do for team cohesion overall. Do we have an answer to that? No, not yet we don't. We don't know or hear about the players who lost opportunity because the coach used the transfer portal to advantage.
                      I quit following the mens college hockey game because the fans were so rabid and disrespectful of other teams and their fans. As far as I am concerned the women game is more what 'sport ' is all about. Look at the mens hockey page on USCHO and read how many young men are ditching college for a shot at the pros. Is it all about the money? Should it be?
                      I am happy to support the womens game as they work towards their own identity. Women are different than men, (DUH). They think different and interact different, and I appreciate and respect that difference. I hope to see that in women hockey at least, it is not 'win at all costs.'

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                      • Originally posted by Steamboat
                        Is it the reality that women's hockey is about winning at all costs? Should it be? We on the forum had the question posed about what Nadine Muzerall's transfer strategy would do for team cohesion overall. Do we have an answer to that? No, not yet we don't. We don't know or hear about the players who lost opportunity because the coach used the transfer portal to advantage.
                        Amen.

                        Regarding OhSt dropping players to make room for transfers this past season. For the 2020-2021 season they had 21 players of which one went to Canada’s Olympic squad, another simply stopped playing, and 2 transferred (same as UW and both likely because of playing time issues). They then added 8 transfers (2 of whom were from Robt Morris) for 2021-2022 to reach 25 players, a common number for a roster and the same number Bucky had before the injuries to Picard and Nealy. So the OhSt influx does not seem to have been much different in terms of the loss of existing roster players than that of the Badgers. They had a lot of open roster spots and used the portal to fill them. I don't see this as a problem. I prefer to wait and see if this becomes OhSt’s modus operandi before chastising their coach.

                        Circumstances like those both OhSt and the Badgers faced with their rosters this past year certainly warrant looking at transfers and recruit flips when both parties are interested. But I personally prefer that the first responsibility is to focus on the ongoing development of returning players and incoming recruits to maintain a proper roster size. These players have made commitments to devote time and energy to the success of the team and are owed a similar commitment from the coaching staff that enables them to contribute to that success. When the configuration of new and returning players offers a full complement of players, devote your energies to finding the right mix for them. There certainly is a lot of pressure on winning, but don’t lose track of how it is done.

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                        • Originally posted by Steamboat View Post

                          Is it the reality that women's hockey is about winning at all costs? Should it be? We on the forum had the question posed about what Nadine Muzerall's transfer strategy would do for team cohesion overall. Do we have an answer to that? No, not yet we don't. We don't know or hear about the players who lost opportunity because the coach used the transfer portal to advantage.
                          I quit following the mens college hockey game because the fans were so rabid and disrespectful of other teams and their fans. As far as I am concerned the women game is more what 'sport ' is all about. Look at the mens hockey page on USCHO and read how many young men are ditching college for a shot at the pros. Is it all about the money? Should it be?
                          I am happy to support the womens game as they work towards their own identity. Women are different than men, (DUH). They think different and interact different, and I appreciate and respect that difference. I hope to see that in women hockey at least, it is not 'win at all costs.'
                          At the D1 level I believe it is win at all costs. Folks need to be patient and let the Covid stuff work thru the system, it will take a few years. There will always be transfers but not at this volume for the stars.

                          I agree the men’s ncaa has become a pipeline to the pros, just like what college hockey inc wanted to be. Everything is a Double edged sword.

                          I take less issue with what is happening at the college and pro level and more at the grass roots. From my own experience I feel the game is less accessible to a house league hockey player today than it was 30 years ago. Pretty discouraging, and questioning if my family should stick with the sport.

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                          • Before spending more time decrying Compher's transfer to Wisconsin, and all it represents, maybe wait to see if Compher is actually transferring to Wisconsin?

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                            • I used to be anti portal/let's be loyal to the recruits, but for the top 4 wcha teams, it is all about winning like it or not not. Muzzy is kinda following MJs lead on transfers but has taken it to another level last season. Mj also flipped 2 bigtime MN recruits, so players also move pre-enrollment. Frosty countered by bringing in some flashy players from Europe. It's a big chess game. You have to use all the pieces like it or not. If UW falls off the face of the earth performance-wise, attendance will be a couple hundred people. There is alot riding on winning.
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                              • Originally posted by Timothy A View Post
                                There is alot riding on winning.
                                That is the sound of a Minnesota Viking fan! I can't stand it when people will only support a team when it is winning. 50% of the time you are likely to be disappointed. It is the process of building a winning team that I enjoy observing. Does losing make a player an inferior human being?
                                Do people perform to their potential? Do they exceed their potential? Do they never reach their potential? Enjoy the game, and applaud the players for doing their best! Stop harping on what could have been, should have been, would have been. What type of fan are you, and what does that say about the type of person we are? Be gracious in defeat and humble in victory.

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