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  • ManBehindTheCurtain
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    In Minnesota the Governor is going to speak at 6pm local time. It is expected that in response to out of control increases in cases, positive testing, hospitalizations and deaths that a new round of restrictions will be put in place, possibly including "pausing" high school and youth sports. If high school sports are paused there almost certainly will immediately be questions about college sports, particularly at the state's public institutions, including the University of Minnesota. There is a lot of money at stake for the Gopher football team so I expect them to play this weekend but any other sport, including, obviously, women's hockey, seems quite a bit less likely.

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  • Timothy A
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    My eldest son tested positive 5 days after he, myself, wife and daughter spent time 5 hours together on a Friday night in a small travel trailer at a camp sight. He had no symptoms other than a very slight cough, like he coughed twice in the 5 hours we were together. That Sunday, we had a small birthday gathering for my wife, the 3 already mentioned, plus the 2 girlfriends and the other son. Eldest son started feeling worse the Monday after and got tested. So after being exposed to him twice twice for 10 hours over that Friday and Sunday, none of us tested positive. And his brother and the girlfriends also tested negative. I think we really don't have a clue how this spreads. Yes distancing and masking are no harm to anyone, so why not do it, but after being with him in that small travel trailer with the windows closed and the heater on for 5 hours all sitting at a small table together eating and playing games, I was convinced me, my wife and daughter were going to test positive. I also know of married couples where one gets it and one doesn't verified through testing.

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  • OldDave
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    Darn, election day has come and gone and the pandemic is still here. That narrative about it being only a political ploy must have been another bit of misinformation from the Russians or Chinese or Iranians.

    A few weeks ago, I took a hypothetical hockey team of 30: 22 players with 8 coaches, trainers, and support personnel. I made the assumption that they bought into one of the misinformation bits and decided to not take any C19 precautions. I then applied the bits we already know: having the disease does not impart durable immunity (durable meaning immunity lasts longer than that chocolate bar in my fridge); more than 20% of the people surviving a bout of C19 come out with significant internal damage – lungs, heart, liver, and maybe spinal cord; more than 50% of people who already have significant internal damage die when they get C19. I then had my team doing parties for Halloween and New Year’s, family get-togethers for Thanksgiving and Christmas, Spring Break on Padre Island – all with the opportunity for C19 to sweep through the team. I assumed that only 15 people got sick during any one C19 event, that there was a two month gap between C19 events, and that the team never modified their behavior concerning precautions. The result was that half the team had passed within a year. I was depressed.

    Then I was listening to Michael Osterholm being interviewed. I had seen or heard him a number of times in both local and national interviews and wanted to know why I was seeing him so often. Turns out he’s the Director of something called CIDRAP (Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy) at UMN. He does weekly podcasts answering questions that people send in, as well as webinars. CIDRAP has a website with a large amount of C19 information, and it is refreshingly void of Russian, Chinese, Iranian, and other misinformation. Much of it is in plain English as well. The website is: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/ After listening to Dr. O and reading much of the material on the site, I am much more upbeat about a vaccine that will give us a durable immunity.
    Last edited by OldDave; 11-05-2020, 04:06 PM.

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  • Timothy A
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    I was at a local hospital for work the other day. The met with people in 5 different areas of the hospital. I was typically me, the guy who called me and one to 2 others from each dept. Everyone was wearing masks. The issue was no one was making any concerted effort to social distance. Our interactions did not require social distancing to be violated for effective communication. Honestly people at Menards try harder to social distance than people in this hospital did. Then I talked to my sister who is a doc and she fully agreed that her and her co-workers don't make any concerted effort to social distance. That is what I firmly believe is one of the cause for the spikes, lack of social distancing with masks and the non-maskers.

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  • robertearle
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    Originally posted by D2D View Post
    Here in the Twin Cities this weekend 40 different teams from across the country managed to play 83 games in the NIT Tournament at four rinks. Hopefully all participants are well.
    http://www.hselitehockey.com/stats#/...rnament_id=707

    A stark contrast from all the D3 leagues apparently being cancelled for the entire season.
    Do you know what the masking or face shield requirements were? Strict, I hope.

    Here's the story of a 'beer league' pickup game in Florida back in June that went very badly. No masks, no screens. One player was a day away from experiencing symptoms, and 13 of 21 other players ended up infected.

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/89139




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  • D2D
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    Here in the Twin Cities this weekend 40 different teams from across the country managed to play 83 games in the NIT Tournament at four rinks. Hopefully all participants are well.
    http://www.hselitehockey.com/stats#/...rnament_id=707

    A stark contrast from all the D3 leagues apparently being cancelled for the entire season.

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  • Scott_TG
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    Originally posted by DDad16 View Post
    Just heard the NESCAC, SUNYAC, and NEWHL all canceled seasons... ???
    The NESCAC canceled a week or two ago. Today the SUNYAC announced their cancellation and the five SUNYAC members with teams in the NEWHL announced their women's teams won't play either. Technically Morrisville and Canton could compete in women's hockey but I doubt they'll manage to fill a full schedule on such short notice.

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  • DDad16
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    Just heard the NESCAC, SUNYAC, and NEWHL all canceled seasons... ???

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  • Timothy A
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    The Corona crew is back to work after their quarantine.

    One of our Pastors' daughter got it, so he had quarantine for 14 days. Then his wife got it 4 days later, so that tacked on another 4 days to his quarantine. He tested negative.

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  • Offsides Guy
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    I give up. You’ve gone down too many rabbit holes for me to respond to and clearly believe many, many individuals, companies and agencies are conspiring to create an imaginary pandemic for a variety of reasons. Just, please, wear a mask, keep your distance and wash your hands.

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  • Blackbeard
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    Originally posted by Offsides Guy View Post

    You are correct I have an emotional stake in this. Like everyone else, this pandemic has turned the lives of my family upside down and caused endless amounts of concern and stress brought on by the changes in our daily routine. I have kids in college who are have classes completely online or meeting in gyms so they can spread out. I haven't been able to go back to my office since March. My 80+ year old mother and in-laws have lost much of their social lives for the last several months. This list for us (and most people) goes on and on. So forgive me but when one of your first links is to a story that opens with "An International Group of Lawyers Have Brought a Lawsuit that the Covid Pandemic Is an Orchestrated Hoax in Behalf of Pharmaceutical Profits and Police State Control", I immediately get frustrated with you for wasting everyone's time and, even worse, spreading information that will do nothing but undermine people's trust of serious experts trying to get this country out of this mess. Any other information included in your post, for me, is immediately invalidated by the above article because the mere fact that you thought that article was worth sharing "for consideration" puts you in a category of people I don't want to hear from on this topic. It's as if you posted a link to a flat earth article; I don't trust anything said after someone circulates such nonsense.

    This is serious sh**. Wasting time on conspiracy theories rather than doing and supporting things that actually may help, to me, is simply irresponsible and uncaring of your fellow citizens. If all these people who spend so much energy battling against wearing masks and social distancing would just suck it up and do those things, this would be under control much sooner than later.
    But did you watch the video or did you just read the title and assume you knew what it was all about and started lighting up your flame thrower? If you can't control your understandable frustration how are you ever going to be able to educate yourself with facts?...and I say this with all due respect.

    I'm assuming from what you have said that you didn't even watch the video. They didn't say that the virus doesn't exist. What they said was that a viral pandemic doesn't exist but a testing pandemic does...and this one lawyer (who, I believe has dual citizenship...German/American) explains their case in a very logical and rational manner...exposing the truths that they have apparently uncovered...for anyone who is interested in the truth...instead of believing fiction. But you'd have to want to know the truth badly enough to spend time checking things like this out. But therein lies a huge part of the problem...there are too many people who don't think for themselves/investigate...they just follow orders. I'm not saying that you are one of them...you may or may not be...I don't know.

    Did you watch the second video with the doctors who held a press conference outside of Congress a couple of months ago? If not, I strongly recommend that you watch that as well as long as you have any interest in finding out what is really going on. If not, you will be wasting your time. Maybe your beliefs are so entrenched that you have no interest in facts. I have the same choices and prefer to search for the truth as opposed to living in a government induced suspended animation fairy tale. But that's just me.

    I never said that this was not serious. I have concluded since back in February because of information that I read that it is just not nearly as bad as we are and have been lead to believe. If you have been paying attention you know that the authorities have mostly been making this stuff up as they go and acting out of fear. That's a great plan.

    And using a cheap and discredited phrase like conspiracy theories is pretty disappointing. Of course, you must be aware that anyone who calls someone else a conspiracy theorist must by definition be a coincidence theorist. Just trying to shine the light on both sides of the ledger.

    I'll leave you with a couple more facts...not opinions...for your consideration.

    As far back as February I was reading accounts of doctors in Europe (I think it was France among other countries) who were screaming from the rooftops that there is a very effective treatment...hydroxychloroquine. But they kept saying that it has to be administered early...if not, it doesn't do much good. From reading a lot of related information I concluded that there are several specific reasons why hydroxychloroquine doesn't work...at least "doesn't work" according to Fauci.

    The reasons are that it has 60-70 year world wide tack record as being safe, it is effective, it is readily available and it is extremely inexpensive.

    That's why it "doesn't work".

    One of the European medical professionals that I alluded to earlier who has been shouting their praises for hydroxychloroquine from the rooftops since February has greater credentials that Fauci.

    Do you think Fauci is unaware of all this? He was the head of the NIH back in 2002, I believe it was, when they officially declared hydroxychloroquine safe. So, how can it be that he is now telling everyone who will listen that it is unsafe...in addition to its not working? And he just points to studies where people with the virus who were in the late stages of its progression were given hydroxychloroquine and claims that it didn't work. Because it didn't...because they were given it too late.

    Do you really think Fauci is that uninformed or ignorant? If so, what is he doing in the position that he occupies? And if you are not aware of any of this you might want to ask yourself why you aren't.

    The guiding principal of the medical profession is to Cause No Harm.

    I shouldn't have been, but I was shocked when I discovered back in February that a major part of the funding for the WHO and the CDC comes from the multinational pharmaceutical companies. Gee, what could go wrong?

    Back in March I saw the head of the CDC addressing the US medical profession imploring them to follow these instructions: if you have a patient who has COVID-19 and they die...regardless of any comorbidities that they have that you suspect caused their death...place the cause of death in the COVID-19 column because we'll get more money from the government. How unbelievably irresponsible...possibly even criminal...again...what could go wrong?

    Lastly, giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you actually are interested in knowing the facts (or at least some of them) on this topic, here's an article you might be interested in.

    It's an effort put forth by 7,487 doctors (to date) in their effort to end their being silenced by governments and the media with respect to getting as much truth/facts out to the citizens of this planet as possible regarding COVID-19. It is similar to the second video that I previously posted with the doctors giving the press conference outside of Congress.

    Hopefully, you are not going to tell me that you think you know more that 7,487 doctors. If you do, all the power to you. I would then just ask, why are you wasting your time on a womens' hockey website?

    Only facts can guide the way...fact free opinions and hysteria don't cut it. They only make a bad situation worse which I know is important to you since that is what you have accused me of doing.

    Here you go: https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/






    Last edited by Blackbeard; 10-18-2020, 04:33 AM.

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  • TinyViking
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    Originally posted by Offsides Guy View Post

    This is serious sh**. Wasting time on conspiracy theories rather than doing and supporting things that actually may help, to me, is simply irresponsible and uncaring of your fellow citizens. If all these people who spend so much energy battling against wearing masks and social distancing would just suck it up and do those things, this would be under control much sooner than later.
    I work in healthcare and have been watching my colleagues and clients deal with COVID surges. It's ugly and DEFINITELY real. I'm with OG.

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  • Offsides Guy
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    Originally posted by Blackbeard View Post
    Did you watch the initial video that I posted? I made my thinking clear with my comments about it. That and the second one with the doctors giving the press conference outside of Congress were the two more important ones in my opinion. I'd be interested in your comments on both of those.

    But to fly off the handle and attack the messenger like you and Nowheresville have done...two usually level headed people, causes me to wonder what emotional (or other) stake you have in this topic that would cause such responses.

    Anyway, I would be interested in his comments on the first two as well...if he sees fit. And yes...always question...including this stuff.
    You are correct I have an emotional stake in this. Like everyone else, this pandemic has turned the lives of my family upside down and caused endless amounts of concern and stress brought on by the changes in our daily routine. I have kids in college who are have classes completely online or meeting in gyms so they can spread out. I haven't been able to go back to my office since March. My 80+ year old mother and in-laws have lost much of their social lives for the last several months. This list for us (and most people) goes on and on. So forgive me but when one of your first links is to a story that opens with "An International Group of Lawyers Have Brought a Lawsuit that the Covid Pandemic Is an Orchestrated Hoax in Behalf of Pharmaceutical Profits and Police State Control", I immediately get frustrated with you for wasting everyone's time and, even worse, spreading information that will do nothing but undermine people's trust of serious experts trying to get this country out of this mess. Any other information included in your post, for me, is immediately invalidated by the above article because the mere fact that you thought that article was worth sharing "for consideration" puts you in a category of people I don't want to hear from on this topic. It's as if you posted a link to a flat earth article; I don't trust anything said after someone circulates such nonsense.

    This is serious sh**. Wasting time on conspiracy theories rather than doing and supporting things that actually may help, to me, is simply irresponsible and uncaring of your fellow citizens. If all these people who spend so much energy battling against wearing masks and social distancing would just suck it up and do those things, this would be under control much sooner than later.

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  • Blackbeard
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    Originally posted by Offsides Guy View Post

    I'm probably going to regret going down this QAnon-like rabbit hole with you but I can't let your nonsense go uncommented on. NO, wearing a mask does not cause brain damage. If that were the case, a very high percentage of the world's Asian population - where mask wearing is almost the social norm - would be in bad shape. YES, wearing a mask is effective if you're talking about limiting the distance a person's breath can travel when speaking, coughing, sneezing, etc. That's just obvious common sense and is obviously helpful in preventing the spread of COVID (or any other airborne virus). NO, not just sick people should wear masks. As we all know, what makes COVID especially difficult to stop is that asymptomatic people can spread the disease. Essentially, everyone needs to assume they have it and act accordingly until we get it under control with more mask wearing, safe distancing and vaccines.

    Lastly, the only thing I question is your lack of concern for others if you're following the advice you're spewing. Suck it up, cupcake. I'm sure you can make the small and relatively short-term sacrifice of wearing a mask to help prevent the spread of this virus. Your other option is to keep spouting this nonsense and (I assume) not wear a mask in which case, congratulations, you will have personally contributed to dragging out these difficult times even longer for your fellow countrymen.
    I provided some information, for those who might be interested, to consider. Some of it may be nonsense, (the last two?), I don't know.

    Would you rather have information that you can consider and dispense with it if you see fit or take the naive approach and just believe everything that you are told by the so called authorities? The naive approach usually doesn't work out very well.

    The problem with some of your comments, as well intended as they might be, apart from your wasting no time in attacking me for providing information for consideration, is that they are just your opinion. For example, I have seen visual scientific tests that prove that these paper masks that seem all the rage don't work. Never mind the possible issues with the they are made with...but the bigger problem seems to be that they don't fit well enough to stop the vapour/aerosol from easily escaping out the top, bottom and both sides. If they are that great why were N95 masks ever developed? And I have seen a scientific study that even claimed the N95 masks weren't entirely foolproof. They are called "95" for a reason.

    Did you watch the initial video that I posted? I made my thinking clear with my comments about it. That and the second one with the doctors giving the press conference outside of Congress were the two more important ones in my opinion. I'd be interested in your comments on both of those.

    But to fly off the handle and attack the messenger like you and Nowheresville have done...two usually level headed people, causes me to wonder what emotional (or other) stake you have in this topic that would cause such responses.

    Anyway, I would be interested in his comments on the first two as well...if he sees fit. And yes...always question...including this stuff.

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  • Nowheresville
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    Ever notice how the people who say things like "always question" are the first people to believe and spread massive amounts of bull**** that doesn't hold up to even the slightest bit of questioning?

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