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  • Timothy A
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    About 1/3 of all deaths are from nursing homes.

    Among 3,734 hospitalized adults with information on underlying medical conditions, 91.7% had at least one reported underlying medical condition, the most commonly reported were hypertension, obesity, chronic metabolic disease, and cardiovascular disease.

    Within the 18-49 years and ≥ 65 years age groups, the hospitalization rates increased with increasing age.

    Age Group for hospitalizations:
    Cumulative Rate per 100,000
    Population Overall 60.5
    0-4 years 3.0
    5-17 years 1.4
    18-29 years 15.4
    30-39 years 32.0
    40-49 years 55.6
    50-64 years 94.4
    65-74 years 141.2
    75-84 years 232.0
    85+ years 352.0

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  • ARM
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    Originally posted by Reddington View Post
    That's always the counter, but the context is on kids returning to college, not opening a college infirmary in a nursing home.
    It varies from school to school, but for a state university in a large city, up to a 1/4 of the students might live at home. People who are ~ 20 yrs old often have grandparents who are in their 70s or 80s, and some of them live with their children. Something like this pandemic has impact beyond those directly affected by a decision. POTUS has said that he'd like K-12 to reopen because adolescents and teens do very well in surviving COVID-19. Yes, but they're also very efficient at spreading communicable illnesses from house to house.

    One could make an argument that, eventually, everyone is going to be exposed to this, so let's just get it over with. Nobody in power is coming out and saying exactly that, but the actions of some of them seem to indicate as much. If life was fair, a few of those seniors sacrificed to get life "back to normal" would be those who are guided by their polling numbers far more than the scientific data.

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  • Reddington
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    Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    I’d like to see the fatality rate of their older relatives.
    That's always the counter, but the context is on kids returning to college, not opening a college infirmary in a nursing home.

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  • D2D
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    Originally posted by robertearle View Post
    (Note also that the Court's vote was 4-3, and that one of the conservative majority lost his re-election last month, and will be replaced by a more liberal justice on July 1 (I think). So 'next time', it might well be 4-3 the other way.)
    It seems to me that when it comes to governmental "orders" relating to the pandemic that dictate what the people are allowed (or forbidden) to do, the usual definitions of "liberal" and "conservative" are now reversed. More of the traditionally "red" conservative states have been quicker to "open up" their economies, while most of the "blue" liberal states have extended their lockdowns while taking a more "conservative" approach, dictating what is permissible, or not..

    On the 10:00pm news here in the Twin Cities, which is just a stones throw away from the Wisconsin border, they've shown the packed Wisconsin bars, full of young people gulping down their thinner in close proximity to one another, having fun just like normal times. Does this make those revelers "conservative" according to the broader definition nationally that argues that we should open up the economy on a more aggressive timetable?

    No matter what the latest government edict may or may not be, I think it's up to each individual to decide how much "risk" he or she will smartly take, given each circumstance. As we "open up", no matter what the latest governmental pronouncement might be, there will be situations where we will inevitably be called upon to use our best judgement. Sadly, those young Wisconsin revelers crowding up to the bar and hugging one another were completely oblivious to that notion.

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  • Offsides Guy
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    Originally posted by robertearle View Post
    You can probably tell I am HIGHLY annoyed by what the Court did here.
    Yeah, a very stupid court decision.

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  • Russell Jaslow
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    Originally posted by Reddington View Post
    On another note, I would be interested in seeing data from Spring Breakers and Mardi Gras participants between 17-25 on fatality rate and etc from the virus.
    I’d like to see the fatality rate of their older relatives.

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  • Sieve1
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    Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    That's a good point. I didn't think of the unintended consequences. Especially since there will be a mass of redshirt exceptions.
    It’s good that hockey isn’t granting another year of eligibility b/c it’s causing all sorts of problems in spring sports like lacrosse. Imagine the situation: seniors can play an additional year, but maybe not at their current school (Ivies and some other small schools aren’t allowing a 5th year) so the transfer portal blows up with 5th year seniors trying to land spots on other teams, which causes a ripple effect for the younger players who have now moved down the depth chart. So now some younger players also enter the portal or are really unsure of where they stand. Or, a school is allowed to keep seniors for a 5th year and decides to keep a bunch of their seniors, or recruits 5th years from other programs, but doesn’t have the budget for an expanded roster (very few do these days) so current sophomore or juniors are cut or scholarships are taken away (happening at some schools). Incoming freshmen aren’t cut because most have signed an NLI but they are definitely lower on the depth chart, possibly for more than one season because it’s not just this year’s seniors who have the possible extra year of eligibility, but every player on the team. The schools with huge athletic budgets and top ranked teams are just getting bigger and better while the smaller schools are missing out. Imagine if UW, OSU & MN could keep their seniors for another year and/or take seniors who graduated from Yale, Princeton, Cornell, etc., but Colgate, Northeastern and BU couldn’t. Bye bye parity in women’s hockey. That’s exactly what’s happening in lacrosse.

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  • robertearle
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    Originally posted by Offsides Guy View Post
    And the WI Supreme Court overruled their Gov's Stay-At-Home order and within hours several bars around the state were busy again with few safety/health adjustments. Tells me the Badgers will play, not worry about sanitizing anything and will fly commercial to all their games even when they could take a bus. Anyone tries to restrict them will simply be taken to court and overruled. Let the paint thinner flow! LOL!
    Legally, the basis for the Court's ruling is nowhere near that 'sweeping'; politically, maybe more so, but Gov Evers was already moving in the "open things carefully" direction anyway.

    Gov Evers and the State Health Officer have issued a number of "Stay at Home" type orders, with two or three 'major' ones. The first such order issued by the State Health Officer was preceded immediately by a "state of emergency" order from Evers, and it specifically referenced the Evers emergency order (the Health Officer is authorized to take the actions contained in the "Stay at Home" order by the fact of the "state of emergency" order). And the Court had and has no problem with that order, but it expired some time in April. The second such "Stay at Home" order, which was largely a time extension of the first order, did not *explicitly* refer to the Evers "state of emergency" order the way the first had, even though that "state of emergency" order remains in effect. And because of that, the Court ruled that the second order is not in fact an "order", but is rather a "rule". And because it is a "rule", there have to have been public hearings, and the legislature gets a say, etc etc.

    Really. That's it. That's the basis of them striking down the order. Really!

    Nothing about "constitutionality" or "governmental tyranny" or any such thing. In the middle of an effing pandemic, the majority on the Court is playing "Simon Says". Seriously! "You didn't say 'Evers says' so you lose the game."

    I'm pretty sure that if they wanted to, Evers and the Health Officer could essentially re-issue the order with the "proper" references to the "state of emergency", and the Court would be OK with it (or they'd have to find some other absurd BS "reason" to knock it down). And if things go badly after the "re-opening" we might see that happen. But not right now.

    (Note also that the Court's vote was 4-3, and that one of the conservative majority lost his re-election last month, and will be replaced by a more liberal justice on July 1 (I think). So 'next time', it might well be 4-3 the other way.)

    You can probably tell I am HIGHLY annoyed by what the Court did here.
    Last edited by robertearle; 05-15-2020, 04:05 PM.

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  • Reddington
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    Originally posted by Offsides Guy View Post
    My son just got good news from Montana State. Fall semester now runs Aug 17 to Thanksgiving then the students are off until Jan 10 when 2nd semester will start. Evidently the school is trying to avoid the heart of flu season and possibly the 2nd COVID season. I’m keeping my eyes out for other schools doing this as well. Bad news is Harvard Med School has announced Fall semester will be online.

    I’m gonna focus on the positive!
    Interesting on Montana State and Harvard.


    Oh Nooo. Bowling Green just dropped baseball, following Akron who dropped three sports.
    Last edited by Reddington; 05-15-2020, 03:18 PM.

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  • Offsides Guy
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    Originally posted by Offsides Guy View Post
    The other reality is no one knows yet if getting and surviving COVID gives you any lengthy immunity. I actually just had an antibodies test because I was sick with all the symptoms back in late December (test results not in yet) and my doctor made a point of telling me a positive test does not mean anything relating to immunity. She said people are studying this but, unfortunately, a positive antibodies test today does not mean I can relax things like social distancing, face covering, etc.

    My hope is the experts can determine this by the start of the school year so they could test players and ID who on the team has immunity.
    My son just got good news from Montana State. Fall semester now runs Aug 17 to Thanksgiving then the students are off until Jan 10 when 2nd semester will start. Evidently the school is trying to avoid the heart of flu season and possibly the 2nd COVID season. I’m keeping my eyes out for other schools doing this as well. Bad news is Harvard Med School has announced Fall semester will be online.

    I’m gonna focus on the positive!

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  • Reddington
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    Originally posted by KTDC View Post
    Your post seems to imply this is all about politics.

    But actually it is possible that the virus itself might have something to say about what is happening during the next school year.
    I said a month ago look to the Eastern Seaboard beaches as an indicator on college football. If the Beaches are not open, there would definitely not be college football.

    And I will say it again, if there is no college football, there will be no sports. My view on this has nothing really to do with politics.

    On another note, I would be interested in seeing data from Spring Breakers and Mardi Gras participants between 17-25 on fatality rate and etc from the virus.

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  • Offsides Guy
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    Originally posted by Reddington View Post
    Jersey Shore is opening for Memorial Day Weekend. As I say even Democrats have beach houses. I'll take that as a positive. Both Dems and Republicans have college aged kids and lots of Dems work at Universities. How far will Governors take this. The Jersey Gov blinked which I think is a good sign for college sports.
    And the WI Supreme Court overruled their Gov's Stay-At-Home order and within hours several bars around the state were busy again with few safety/health adjustments. Tells me the Badgers will play, not worry about sanitizing anything and will fly commercial to all their games even when they could take a bus. Anyone tries to restrict them will simply be taken to court and overruled. Let the paint thinner flow! LOL!

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  • KTDC
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    Originally posted by Reddington View Post
    Jersey Shore is opening for Memorial Day Weekend. As I say even Democrats have beach houses. I'll take that as a positive. Both Dems and Republicans have college aged kids and lots of Dems work at Universities. How far will Governors take this. The Jersey Gov blinked which I think is a good sign for college sports.
    Your post seems to imply this is all about politics.

    But actually it is possible that the virus itself might have something to say about what is happening during the next school year.

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  • Reddington
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    Jersey Shore is opening for Memorial Day Weekend. As I say even Democrats have beach houses. I'll take that as a positive. Both Dems and Republicans have college aged kids and lots of Dems work at Universities. How far will Governors take this? The Jersey Gov blinked which I think is a good sign for college sports.
    Last edited by Reddington; 05-15-2020, 10:41 AM.

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  • FiveHoleFrenzy
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    Clear and critical thinking needed...You're spidey senses should be tingling.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...t-tracing.html

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