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  • Offsides Guy
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    Originally posted by robertearle View Post
    Just so people understand what tests do what: the test in that article (if I am reading it correctly) only tests for the 'long term' IgG antibody. IgG antibodies form days or even weeks after symptoms appear; 7 to 10 days after symptoms, meaning maybe as long as two weeks after infection. It does not test for IgM antibodies, which form more quickly. And neither type of antibodies form - at least to any detectable level - during the critical first few days when a person is pre-symptomatic but can still be infecting others. To know that, you have to take the RNA detecting "swab test", and that (unless you work at the White House, apparently) can take days to get results.

    So, if the idea is to find out which players had COVID weeks and months ago (and are presumably now carrying some level of immunity), an IgG antibody test is fine. But if you want to know what players are infected right now and are a risk to spreading the virus to other players or the other team, the RNA swab test is necessary.

    (And, as I have said before, until there is a plan as to what to do when a player tests positive for active COVID two days before a game, I am not at all optimistic about 'sports' being played in any meaningful way.)
    The other reality is no one knows yet if getting and surviving COVID gives you any lengthy immunity. I actually just had an antibodies test because I was sick with all the symptoms back in late December (test results not in yet) and my doctor made a point of telling me a positive test does not mean anything relating to immunity. She said people are studying this but, unfortunately, a positive antibodies test today does not mean I can relax things like social distancing, face covering, etc.

    My hope is the experts can determine this by the start of the school year so they could test players and ID who on the team has immunity.

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  • robertearle
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    Re: Coronavirus

    Originally posted by Timothy A View Post
    Instead of deaths, how about percent of tests that are positive? That will tell us if the spread is lessening. Number of deaths tell us nothing.
    All the different numbers - new cases, active cases, number hospitalized, test rates - tell you something; no one number tells you everything you want and need to know.

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  • robertearle
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    Originally posted by Rightnut View Post
    Just so people understand what tests do what: the test in that article (if I am reading it correctly) only tests for the 'long term' IgG antibody. IgG antibodies form days or even weeks after symptoms appear; 7 to 10 days after symptoms, meaning maybe as long as two weeks after infection. It does not test for IgM antibodies, which form more quickly. And neither type of antibodies form - at least to any detectable level - during the critical first few days when a person is pre-symptomatic but can still be infecting others. To know that, you have to take the RNA detecting "swab test", and that (unless you work at the White House, apparently) can take days to get results.

    So, if the idea is to find out which players had COVID weeks and months ago (and are presumably now carrying some level of immunity), an IgG antibody test is fine. But if you want to know what players are infected right now and are a risk to spreading the virus to other players or the other team, the RNA swab test is necessary.

    (And, as I have said before, until there is a plan as to what to do when a player tests positive for active COVID two days before a game, I am not at all optimistic about 'sports' being played in any meaningful way.)

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  • Timothy A
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    Originally posted by Rightnut View Post
    I probably should have put that at the end of my statement! Thank you for teeing that up. Gotta shake things up a bit. But its bad in California. Gov. Grewsome said that counties can't get to the next stage of reopening (dine in restaurants etc) until a county has 14 days in a row of no Covid deaths. .
    Instead of deaths, how about percent of tests that are positive? That will tell us if the spread is lessening. Number of deaths tell us nothing.

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  • Rightnut
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    Originally posted by robertearle View Post
    Arizona, not ASU.

    What Dr. Robbins said:

    "I am pleased to publicly announce today our intention to return to in-person classes at the University of Arizona for the fall semester. We will honor all local, state and federal protective measures that apply, and, of course, there are many factors that remain beyond our control. However, we are tackling what is within our control to ensure our students have the opportunity for a full on-campus experience.

    "We have launched antibody testing for the county and will soon begin antibody testing 250,000 health care workers and first responders for the state of Arizona in partnership with the Governor’s Office. Next, we will test our own students, faculty and staff. We are expanding our diagnostic testing capability for COVID-19 infection. In short, we are working with local and national experts to create best-in-class strategies to reopen the campus.

    "Our plan is to Test, Trace and Treat to present our campus community a flexible and adaptive teaching and learning environment."
    This should help everyone.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...rtan-dhp-feeds

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  • robertearle
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    Originally posted by Reddington View Post
    Meanwhile, ASU has a cardiologist as President and says we are bringing back 60,000 students and says we can do this and we are bringing back the infirmary and we will pull kids out of the dorms and care for them. "And make no mistake, kids are going to get this, but there is not much risk to this age group."
    Arizona, not ASU.

    What Dr. Robbins said:

    "I am pleased to publicly announce today our intention to return to in-person classes at the University of Arizona for the fall semester. We will honor all local, state and federal protective measures that apply, and, of course, there are many factors that remain beyond our control. However, we are tackling what is within our control to ensure our students have the opportunity for a full on-campus experience.

    "We have launched antibody testing for the county and will soon begin antibody testing 250,000 health care workers and first responders for the state of Arizona in partnership with the Governor’s Office. Next, we will test our own students, faculty and staff. We are expanding our diagnostic testing capability for COVID-19 infection. In short, we are working with local and national experts to create best-in-class strategies to reopen the campus.

    "Our plan is to Test, Trace and Treat to present our campus community a flexible and adaptive teaching and learning environment."

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  • DDad16
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    Originally posted by Rightnut View Post
    I probably should have put that at the end of my statement! Thank you for teeing that up. Gotta shake things up a bit. But its bad in California. Gov. Grewsome said that counties can't get to the next stage of reopening (dine in restaurants etc) until a county has 14 days in a row of no Covid deaths. That may never happen. Ever. They keep moving the goalposts. The original excuse was to "flatten the curve" to allow hospitals to ramp up. Well, they did. Now they are ramping down and some are going out of business. Then it was until we have a vaccine. Recently it is until we have multiple vaccines and those may not even work. Then there is the testing and tracing. Well, there is plenty of testing capability but no one uses it.

    For those Cal State sports programs (and any schools that don't reopen or have sports) the transfer portal will fill up fast as players move to schools that are open and playing. It could decimate sports programs at those schools that don't open.

    More specifically for us on this site, women's hockey, I would venture to guess that many if not most women's hockey college students in the north east, especially in the New York region, have already had it based on the people I know.

    What they should do is test all of the players for antibodies. There likely is herd immunity already in that confined group.
    I hear ya!

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  • Rightnut
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    Originally posted by DDad16 View Post
    Alright group... Let him (or her) have it!
    I probably should have put that at the end of my statement! Thank you for teeing that up. Gotta shake things up a bit. But its bad in California. Gov. Grewsome said that counties can't get to the next stage of reopening (dine in restaurants etc) until a county has 14 days in a row of no Covid deaths. That may never happen. Ever. They keep moving the goalposts. The original excuse was to "flatten the curve" to allow hospitals to ramp up. Well, they did. Now they are ramping down and some are going out of business. Then it was until we have a vaccine. Recently it is until we have multiple vaccines and those may not even work. Then there is the testing and tracing. Well, there is plenty of testing capability but no one uses it.

    For those Cal State sports programs (and any schools that don't reopen or have sports) the transfer portal will fill up fast as players move to schools that are open and playing. It could decimate sports programs at those schools that don't open.

    More specifically for us on this site, women's hockey, I would venture to guess that many if not most women's hockey college students in the north east, especially in the New York region, have already had it based on the people I know.

    What they should do is test all of the players for antibodies. There likely is herd immunity already in that confined group.

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  • Offsides Guy
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    Originally posted by MAHOCKEY FAN View Post
    Oh no....it is starting .....California cancels fall classes
    They're leaving wiggle room to be able to still have sports in some fashion. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ll/3121272001/

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  • Reddington
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    Originally posted by mnwis View Post
    The school doesn't control if students attend...all ASU can do is open,will be an interesting fall term across the country...personally, if our kids' schools are going to open with social distancing,mostly remote learning with some hybrid class offerings,paying full price for the semester(tuition,dorm meal,etc...) seems a waste..I do pity the seniors who are now trying to enter the work place..
    Hmmm. After spending March to August with the parents at home in quarantine or kids taking a chance and going back to school even with social distancing ....

    Yes, it is unfortunate for the Seniors, who now maybe at home even longer.

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  • mnwis
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    Originally posted by Reddington View Post
    Meanwhile, ASU has a cardiologist as President and says we are bringing back 60,000 students and says we can do this and we are bringing back the infirmary and we will pull kids out of the dorms and care for them. "And make no mistake, kids are going to get this, but there is not much risk to this age group."


    The school doesn't control if students attend...all ASU can do is open,will be an interesting fall term across the country...personally, if our kids' schools are going to open with social distancing,mostly remote learning with some hybrid class offerings,paying full price for the semester(tuition,dorm meal,etc...) seems a waste..I do pity the seniors who are now trying to enter the work place..

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  • DDad16
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    Re: Coronavirus

    Originally posted by Rightnut View Post
    ASU has it right. Cal State schools are controlled by the California communists who want to lock everyone down indefinitely to establish their real agenda under the guise of waiting until every disease known to man is eradicated.
    Alright group... Let him (or her) have it!

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  • Rightnut
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    Originally posted by Reddington View Post
    Meanwhile, ASU has a cardiologist as President and says we are bringing back 60,000 students and says we can do this and we are bringing back the infirmary and we will pull kids out of the dorms and care for them. "And make no mistake, kids are going to get this, but there is not much risk to this age group."
    ASU has it right. Cal State schools are controlled by the California communists who want to lock everyone down indefinitely to establish their real agenda under the guise of waiting until every disease known to man is eradicated.

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  • Reddington
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    Originally posted by MAHOCKEY FAN View Post
    Oh no....it is starting .....California cancels fall classes
    Meanwhile, Arizona has a cardiologist as President and says we are bringing back 60,000 students and says we can do this and we are bringing back the infirmary and we will pull kids out of the dorms and care for them. "And make no mistake, kids are going to get this, but there is not much risk to this age group."
    Last edited by Reddington; 05-13-2020, 02:52 PM.

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  • MAHOCKEY FAN
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    Oh no....it is starting .....California cancels fall classes

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