My prediction: If there is no hockey this year, then no players will be signed in November and those players will be asked to defer for a year to clear out the logjam of extra elgibili
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I am not optimistic at all there will be a season. From what I heard, best case is a delay to Jan or spring but really, with a (safe) vaccine or herd immunity at least 12 months away (optimistically..), does delay the season really change anything? I think the season is gone. If the goal was to just 'flatten the curve' to avoid hospital crunches, hockey would be played on time. The goal seems to be now "not to spread covid" given the unknowns with the virus and that will be a much longer process.
With that said, I think eligibility will be on a school-by-school basis, just like spring sports went. Some players may redshirt or withdraw for this year to retain eligibility (if the coaches still want them), some freshman coming in may be asked to take a gap year. Some schools (like Wisconsin did for the spring sports) will tell their seniors to graduate and their athletic careers are over at the school. Some schools may have to cut back on aid due to financial pressures. It is going to be wild-wild west for all the student-athletes and programs....
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Originally posted by Cornholio View PostI am not optimistic at all there will be a season. From what I heard, best case is a delay to Jan or spring but really, with a (safe) vaccine or herd immunity at least 12 months away (optimistically..), does delay the season really change anything? I think the season is gone. If the goal was to just 'flatten the curve' to avoid hospital crunches, hockey would be played on time. The goal seems to be now "not to spread covid" given the unknowns with the virus and that will be a much longer process.
With that said, I think eligibility will be on a school-by-school basis, just like spring sports went. Some players may redshirt or withdraw for this year to retain eligibility (if the coaches still want them), some freshman coming in may be asked to take a gap year. Some schools (like Wisconsin did for the spring sports) will tell their seniors to graduate and their athletic careers are over at the school. Some schools may have to cut back on aid due to financial pressures. It is going to be wild-wild west for all the student-athletes and programs....
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Originally posted by Reddington View PostMy prediction: If there is no hockey this year...
...then no players will be signed in November and those players will be asked to defer for a year to clear out the logjam of extra elgibility
I don't remember where I saw it, but at the end of the season in March I read speculation somewhere that maybe the 2020-21 season would be played, but with a drastically reduced fan base allowed inside the arena (something like "parents only" or something like that). That doesn't do much to fix the financial picture for schools, with such a loss in ticket sales and concession purchases. Speaking of which, Penn State hasn't sent out an email to season ticket holders about renewing for the 2020-21 season yet, and I think that's usually done by now, so we'll see.
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Originally posted by Cornholio View PostSome schools (like Wisconsin did for the spring sports) will tell their seniors to graduate and their athletic careers are over at the school.
I know I made reference to this here previously, but in an article from April, at least one UW track senior said she was told by the track coach "she was welcome to return to the team for her final season of outdoor eligibility in 2021 if she could pay her own way."
That is, what Wisconsin said was they "would not pursue an additional year of eligibility" for seniors; I don't think that necessarily equates to "their athletic careers are over" at Wisconsin. I think it means that 1) the school won't pursue a "sixth year' on the clock, and 2) if a student has a 'fifth year' available to them and wants to use it, they will have to do so while not on scholarship.
I have seen nothing further on the subject since that article.
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/colle...33cd41c6d.html
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Originally posted by robertearle View Post
I don't think that is an accurate representation of what Wisconsin told their students (though it isn't particularly clear that it isn't inaccurate, either).
I know I made reference to this here previously, but in an article from April, at least one UW track senior said she was told by the track coach "she was welcome to return to the team for her final season of outdoor eligibility in 2021 if she could pay her own way."
That is, what Wisconsin said was they "would not pursue an additional year of eligibility" for seniors; I don't think that necessarily equates to "their athletic careers are over" at Wisconsin. I think it means that 1) the school won't pursue a "sixth year' on the clock, and 2) if a student has a 'fifth year' available to them and wants to use it, they will have to do so while not on scholarship.
I have seen nothing further on the subject since that article.
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/colle...33cd41c6d.html
As a senior it would be much harder to accept that you couldn't play in your last year, or that you now have to consider adding a year (potentially at your expense).
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The non-Olympic players have no money making hockey in their future after college, which means they all need to get that degree as quickly as possible to get a job. Because if this, if I was in incoming Fr, the big picture is I give up a year of hockey to get into the workforce in 4 years.Wisconsin Hockey: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 WE WANT MORE!
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To get a sense of how things might shake out it is worth looking at what happened to D1 spring sports. Ivies didn’t allow athletes to take the additional year of eligibility the NCAA allowed. Other schools which have limited grad programs didn't allow it either. Ivies didn’t allow athletes to withdraw and then re-enroll to preserve their eligibility. (See Princeton lacrosse star Michael Sowers)
Beyond the Ivies, some schools offered to keep seniors for a 5th year, but ended up cutting younger players, or taking away scholarships. This caused the transfer portal to explode. Bottom line- there is no easy answer and someone will get the short end of the stick if seasons get reduced or canceled. Not even going to discuss the new ICE rules for international students....whole other mess right there
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Originally posted by Timothy A View PostThe non-Olympic players have no money making hockey in their future after college, which means they all need to get that degree as quickly as possible to get a job. Because if this, if I was in incoming Fr, the big picture is I give up a year of hockey to get into the workforce in 4 years.
What will prospects for getting a job look like in four or five years? Four or five months? Four or five weeks? The usual prediction models are on unfamiliar ground. If I was paying for at least a percentage of my education and had the option of doing something else (e.g. working in a family business), I would seriously consider deferring a year.
"... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling
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Originally posted by Sieve1 View PostStanford just cut 11 varsity sports. Ivy League is expected to announce today that football will be played (hopefully) in the spring. Winter sports plan will not be announced today.Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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Stanford's cuts is very surprising and worrying, much worse than even I as a athletic financials pessimist, would not have guessed. They have over a $27B endowment, get P5 football money and still can't make it a go financially for some of the "Olympic" sports. I am afraid this is the first domino to fall to a major restructure (and lot less support) of athletics. If Stanford is making this kind of cut, who really is safe and how do other, much less financially strong universities, justify their continued 'investment' in non-revenue sports?
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