NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

My hot take on this is 3x3 overtime is the $#!+ and I'm all for it during the regular season. 4x4 first and then 3x3 is fine too. End in a tie after that; no shootouts.

5x5 unlimited OT for the playoffs is a must, though, but that's probably never going to go away.

[obserbear]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

NESCAC has played 4x4 OT for several seasons. There was a regular season game on 1/27/13 between Conn College and Amherst that was settled 3x3. There were coincidental minors at 19:56 of the 3rd for hitting after the whistle. It then took Geneva Lloyd, Tori Salmon and Ashley Salerno :56 to determine the outcome (Salmon from Lloyd). Sure was a lot of ice out there.

[Sean Pickett]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

The NHL used to have no overtime in regular season...but that was before it became an entertainment industry first, and a sport second.

I see conflicting information, but it appears that the NHL did have full ten-minute overtime periods until Nov 1942, when it was eliminated due to wartime travel restrictions. It was not reintroduced until the 1983-84 season, when it was a 5 minute sudden death overtime period. On the other hand, the NCAA has always had overtime: through the 1936-37 season overtime consisted of a 10-minute overtime and if still tied a second 10-minute overtime. Starting in 1937-38 overtime was reduced to a single 10-minute overtime and starting with the 1949-50 season a single 10-minute sudden death overtime period was played. It was changed to a 5 minute overtime starting with the 1989-90 season, falling in line with the NHL's 5 minute overtime. Also, if I recall correctly it was stated that 70% of all overtime games that had a winner were decided in the first 5 minutes, so shortening of the period would not change the outcome of many games.

Sean

[hab]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

I will never understand why a tie, in regular season play, should not remain as a tie. If the purpose of regular season points is to determine eligibility for playoffs, a split in points in a tie game is a better reflection of regular season success/failure than a toss of the dice in overtime / shootout. A tie is an honourable outcome for a game...an indication that two teams fought hard and neither proved to be dominant on that evening. It is only when you get to playoffs, where one team, and only one team must advance that it is necessary to break a tie game. It is only the commercialization of the game at the pro level that has led to this insane need to always send one team home as winner and another as loser. The NHL used to have no overtime in regular season...but that was before it became an entertainment industry first, and a sport second.

[pokechecker]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

what cracks me up is many of these shootouts take longer than another OT
it seems to me there was one for UM where they went thru nearly the entire lineup before someone broke the deadlock
and a couple more that required a good number of players

they could have easily played another 5 minute OT in those 3

if you want to change the rules to have a winner, how about playing 5 on 5 but rescinding offside and or icing?
maybe the puck could be replaced with a tennis ball and put up hoops at each end and the first to make a basket wins

[Sean Pickett]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

4x4 and 3x3 almost always produce a winner

Not quite:

NHL 2015-16 Season (3x3 overtime)
1230 games played
275 overtime games (23.6 %)
107 shootouts (8.7 % of all games; 38.9 % of overtime games)

NHL 2014-15 Season (4x4 overtime)
1230 games played
306 overtime games (24.9 %)
170 shootouts (13.8 % of all games; 55.6 % of overtime games)

Over the past two seasons the average is just 47.7% of overtime games were decided playing 4x4 or 3x3 with the remaining 52.3% tied after 5 minutes of overtime.

Sean

[ne7minder]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

Well.

My own preference, stated right up front in my initial post, is to try one OT and leave it a tie. However, I recognize that things change and we need to adapt, which is why I had a few kind words for 3x3 and 4x4 OT, in the same way that you might point out that your daughter's boyfriend sure drives a nice car.

I guess you would have to be reading between the lines of my post to extend my comments to starting games with shootouts and throwing out 5x5 play completely. But, I guess I need to be clearer in my writing.

I do not think the error was yours, or that there really was an error. People just had different takes on what you said.

[Leather helmet]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

Well.

My own preference, stated right up front in my initial post, is to try one OT and leave it a tie. However, I recognize that things change and we need to adapt, which is why I had a few kind words for 3x3 and 4x4 OT, in the same way that you might point out that your daughter's boyfriend sure drives a nice car.

I guess you would have to be reading between the lines of my post to extend my comments to starting games with shootouts and throwing out 5x5 play completely. But, I guess I need to be clearer in my writing.

[giwan]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

Constantly evolving? Shootouts are great?

Been to tournaments with the ganes START with a shootout and the score starts based on the goals in the shootout. I mean if people want to see a shootout why not show it to them right at the start and a guarantee of one?

Been to tournaments that had sudden death OTs of 4x4, 3x3. 2x2, 1x1. If there is any place to use creativity it's when you are 5x5 not 3x3 etc If 3x3 is so great then play that way, why use five? It would drop costs Way way back I think they played 6x6.

It's still a TEAM game isn't it? Maybe the most TEAM oriented game of them all. (depending on your thoughts of the hot goalie) Why take it away from the team idea?

The two line pass issue opened the flow of the game. 3x3 there is no flow just wild runs down the ice.

[joecct]

The game is constantly evolving, and we all get accustomed to the changes. I recall two-line passes being illegal, and a hard whistle for offsides without the ability to clear the zone and keep playing. Teams used to change their personnel even after an icing call, and coincidental penalties resulted in a 4x4.

All of these rule changes had detractors at the time, but now they are considered part of the game.

I think 3x3 is exciting, even though it changes the strategy completely. Whereas 5x5 rewards the team with more depth and stronger systems, 3x3 rewards speed and creativity. Not a bad thing.

Don't coincidental penalties currently result in 4x4? I'm old enough to remember when all penalties went on the clock. That was always fun and a lamented change when coincidental penalties did not affect on ice strength.

The ehole key to this OT business is what is the proposed change to the RPI? Nothing should be enacted until we and the NCAA see the proposed change(s) and the Championship committee agrees with them. The change to OT has to be linked to the change on RPI.

[ne7minder]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

The NCAA committee recommended that regular season OT starts with four-on-four for five minutes, then three-on-three for five minutes (if necessary), and finally to a shootout (if necessary), with conferences deciding whether or not to go to the three-on-three and shootout. This would apply to the regular season only.

http://www.uscho.com/2016/06/11/ncaa...016-17-season/

Pluses? Minuses? I do like a good shootout and wish the CHA would start using them.

Outside of the NHL where nobody cares enough & ties still get you into the playoffs I don't see anything wrong with games ending in a tie. In theory 4x4 or 3x3 should favor the team with better players but if that is important then why not play the whole game that way? If there simply HAS to be OT it should be 5x5. I'll be in favor of shootouts as soon as tied baseball games are decided with a homerun derby, football games with field goal kicking competition, basketball ties settle with a free throw contest and debates settled with a rap-off.

[pokechecker]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

The game is constantly evolving, and we all get accustomed to the changes. I recall two-line passes being illegal, and a hard whistle for offsides without the ability to clear the zone and keep playing. Teams used to change their personnel even after an icing call,

so some rule changes are good

and coincidental penalties resulted in a 4x4.

some are bad

I think 3x3 is exciting, even though it changes the strategy completely. Whereas 5x5 rewards the team with more depth and stronger systems, 3x3 rewards speed and creativity. Not a bad thing.

what's wrong with the team with more depth winning? 3 on 3 rewards the team with a few super stars, why should they be the winner?

the vast majority of fans think OT sudden death is the most exciting hockey, some of the best games go multiple OT's before there is a winner, I understand this may not be a good thing for the regular season, but in tournaments it is the only way to go.

and who says there has to be a winner of a regular season game? SO are like going to the prom with your cousin

the problem with the current 5 minute OT is that it is too short, teams can play with 2 lines and 2 pair of defenders, increase it to 8 or even ten minutes and there would rarely be a tie

[zoofer]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

I agree with Leather helmet in that the 4x4 and 3x3 create new strategies that teams have to adapt to quickly.....also his point about deeper teams having the edge is logical......nothing wrong with trying to go home with a winning team.

[Leather helmet]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

I don't really consider the new rules to be about bringing more offense. They are more about providing a way to declare a winner without the hokiness of a shootout.

4x4 and 3x3 almost always produce a winner, and at least it's the team that's doing the scoring. You and I may be happy watching a well-played tie, but the reality is that women's hockey needs to appeal to casual fans, and ensuring that every fan goes home happy or sad, but not indifferent, is one way to do that.

I confess that I have always enjoyed watching 3x3 hockey, going back to when my daughter played in 3x3 leagues during the summer. I wouldn't trade it for the traditional game, but it was fun watching how the players adjusted to the different responsibilities. There is no such thing as a 'stay-at-home D' in a 3x3 game.

[Timothy A]

Re: NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17

Want more offense? Coincidental penalties should result in 4 x 4 like they used to. It was so dumb to eliminate that. Now people clamor for 4 x 4. Give it to them in regulation.