2015-2016 USCHO Posters Poll

[ARM]

Re: 2015-2016 USCHO Posters Poll

What's with the UMD votes? They beat Lindenwood and Mankato twice each and lost 6 games to ranked opponents. I know the wcha is the best league, but IMHO ranking them is a stretch, isn't it?

I think it depends on how people value wins combined with bad losses. For example, UMD hasn't lost to anyone outside the top 5 as Eeyore has ranked teams, while Northeastern, Harvard, and Quinnipiac have all lost to unranked teams.

In polls, there aren't any predefined rules as to how teams should be ranked. It is simply, "List your top 10," and that can be based on who has played the best, who has the most potential, who would win if two teams played, ... whatever the voter wants. The only rule that should be inflexible is that teams are penalized if they don't have a nickname or wear jerseys that mix pink with some heinous shade of green.

[Eeyore]

Re: 2015-2016 USCHO Posters Poll

I think it depends on how people value wins combined with bad losses. For example, UMD hasn't lost to anyone outside the top 5 as Eeyore has ranked teams, while Northeastern, Harvard, and Quinnipiac have all lost to unranked teams.

This, along with UND's tie against St. Cloud State. And, yes, ranking UMD is a stretch, but there wasn't anyone to put in the last couple of spots that wasn't a stretch. Princeton hasn't played anyone better than Yale and I'm not confident that they would beat Bemidji, let alone BC or Wisconsin. UConn has a better record than UMD, but fared worse against their only common opponent, at least in terms of being in the games they lost.

I'm not arguing that either of those teams is an incorrect choice over UMD, but they aren't slam dunk winners of that comparison, either, unless you privilege raw W/L percentage to a far greater extent than I do.

[Timothy A]

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I'm not arguing that either of those teams is an incorrect choice over UMD, but they aren't slam dunk winners of that comparison, either, unless you privilege raw W/L percentage to a far greater extent than I do.

I agree at the 8-10 spot it's a total crapshoot anyway, UMD's record alone boots them off my top 10, so I was curious about the mindset. Not having very good info (just looking at box scores/standings and reading the weekly Women's column), not seeing my myself)) I look at number of wins as the #2 filter, #1 filter is my eyes.

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: 2015-2016 USCHO Posters Poll

Last call --

[bc6696]

Re: 2015-2016 USCHO Posters Poll

1) Wisconsin
2) Minnesota
3) Boston College
4) Clarkson
5) Bemidji State
6) North Dakota
7) Northeastern
8) QU
9) Princeton
10) Harvard

[5550]

Maybe too late but here they are anyway.

1. UW
2. BC
3. UM
4. CU
5. BSU
6. NU
7. QU
8. UND
Others under consideration: HU, BU, Dart, PSU, Corn.

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: 2015-2016 USCHO Posters Poll

Maybe too late but here they are anyway.

Nope you made it, compiling now --

[pokechecker]

Re: 2015-2016 USCHO Posters Poll

1 - WI
2- BC
3 - MN
4 - Clarkson
5 - UND
6- BSU
7 - Quinni
8 -Harvard
9 - Northeastern
10 - Princeton

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: 2015-2016 USCHO Posters Poll

Week VI Posters Poll

Rank Votes  Team (1st place votes)  Range (Mode)  Last week (change)
  1.   157  Wisconsin (14)          1-3   (1)     2 (+1)
  2.   138  Boston College          2-3   (2)     3 (+1)
  3.   137  Minnesota (2)           1-3   (3)     1 (-2)
  4.   109  Clarkson                4-5   (4)     4
  5.    83  North Dakota            4-8   (6)     9 (+4)
 t6.    76  Bemidji State           5-8   (7)     6 
 t6.    76  Northeastern            4-8   (7)     7 (+1)
  8.    44  Quinnipiac              7-9   (8)     5 (-3)
  9.    37  Harvard                 5-NR  (10)    8 (-1)
 10.    15  Princeton               9-NR  (10)    ARV (+1)
 
Also Receiving Votes:
         5  Minnesota-Duluth        10-NR (10)    ARV
         1  Boston University       9-NR  (10)    ARV
         1  Dartmouth               10-NR (10)    10 (-1)
         1  UConn                   10-NR (10)    ARV
             
Dropped Out:
            None

Week VI chart: http://i.imgur.com/GTz9rWr.jpg

alol @ that 5-9 cluster in the chart

[ne7minder]

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The only rule that should be inflexible is that teams are penalized if they don't have a nickname or wear jerseys that mix pink with some heinous shade of green.

I KNEW we could find common ground!

[Golden Tuuk]

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The Gophers were ranked above UW and BC in large part due to having won the NCAAs last year.

Huh? This isn't college football.

[Timothy A]

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The Gophers were ranked above UW and BC in large part due to having won the NCAAs last year.

IMHO, them winning the title had nothing to do with them being preseason #1. Did they not return the most talent of the 3 and have a great recruiting class with the top recruit in the country on their team? UW lost tons of scoring compared to UM and BC. It's cute how some UM fans still like to play the underdog card. Of the 3, UW was clearly the underdog going into the season.

[ARM]

It's cute how some UM fans still like to play the underdog card.

Not saying UM was an underdog, just that it is hard to compare three teams that look dominant but haven't played top competition so the defending champ gets benefit of any doubt.

[5mn_Major]

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IMHO, them winning the title had nothing to do with them being preseason #1. Did they not return the most talent of the 3 and have a great recruiting class with the top recruit in the country on their team? UW lost tons of scoring compared to UM and BC. It's cute how some UM fans still like to play the underdog card. Of the 3, UW was clearly the underdog going into the season.

And Minnesota being third won't last very long.

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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And Minnesota being third won't last very long.

Minnesota could be third for awhile because of it's uncharacteristic struggles on the penalty kill. I got that from a preschooler so take it FWIW.