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  • hab
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Originally posted by shelfit View Post
    Not wrong, just ahead of myself because they won't make the playoffs 4 years in a row. Mark my words. I'll have no problem eating my words if they make the playoffs in either 2015-16 or 2016-17. I'll say it yet again; nothing would make me happier for this program than for them to make the ECAC playoffs once again. Hopefully you see that repetition to be equally as "tiresome" as the things I post that you don't like or agree with. I guess it's easy for you to be selective in what you criticize. Have a fabulous day!

    I've obviously offended you given the tone of your post but I did say "Sorry if that offends anyone but that's the reality for RPI as I see it."
    Shelfit, I welcome and enjoy your posts precisely because they express opinions that I don't always agree with (that's what forums are for, after all). But the echoes...not so much. Let's move on.

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  • shelfit
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    Originally posted by hab View Post
    Translation: I knew that I was wrong but I didn't want that to get in the way of an opportunity to repeat my tiresome rant.[/url]
    Not wrong, just ahead of myself because they won't make the playoffs 4 years in a row. Mark my words. I'll have no problem eating my words if they make the playoffs in either 2015-16 or 2016-17. I'll say it yet again; nothing would make me happier for this program than for them to make the ECAC playoffs once again. Hopefully you see that repetition to be equally as "tiresome" as the things I post that you don't like or agree with. I guess it's easy for you to be selective in what you criticize. Have a fabulous day!

    I've obviously offended you given the tone of your post but I did say "Sorry if that offends anyone but that's the reality for RPI as I see it."

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  • hab
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Originally posted by shelfit View Post
    Agreed, and believe me I thought about that "equation" as I posted but the obvious downward trend since the year they lost in the ECAC championship game is indicative of the big picture with this program and its leadership. It's not a good spiral that they're on and there's no light at the end of the tunnel.
    Translation: I knew that I was wrong but I didn't want that to get in the way of an opportunity to repeat my tiresome rant.

    BTW, for those interested in looking forward, we do have a new thread for the '15-'16 season.
    http://board.uscho.com/showthread.ph...ngineers-15-16

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  • shelfit
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Originally posted by jericho View Post
    Contradicting yourself with these two posts. They've made the playoffs at least "once every four years" in the years you refer.
    Agreed, and believe me I thought about that "equation" as I posted but the obvious downward trend since the year they lost in the ECAC championship game is indicative of the big picture with this program and its leadership. It's not a good spiral that they're on and there's no light at the end of the tunnel.

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  • jericho
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Originally posted by shelfit View Post
    ...However I think it's perfectly ok to expect some appearances in a team's conference playoffs. Most people feel at least once every four years isn't too much to expect so that all graduating players can experience playoff hockey at least one year out of their four years of eligibility. That's not happening under current "leadership" and isn't going to happen until new leadership takes over.
    Originally posted by shelfit View Post
    So I guess we're going to do this. Ok then. I've followed the ECAC since before RPI joined the league. Let's get some detail - here's their 9-year ECAC results:

    2006-07
    8-13-1
    Lost in Quarter finals 2 games straight to Dartmouth.

    2007-08
    6-12-4
    (missed the playoffs)

    2008-09
    11-8-3
    Lost in Finals to Harvard 6-1.

    2009-10
    11-7-4
    Lost in Semi finals to Cornell 5-4.

    2010-11
    8-12-2
    Lost in Quarter finals in 2 games straight to Cornell.

    2011-12
    6-14-2
    (missed the playoffs)

    2012-13
    8-12-2
    Lost in Quarter finals in 2 games straight to Clarkson.

    2013-14
    6-14-2
    (missed the playoffs)

    2014-15
    5-16-1
    (missed the playoffs)

    It's really not that terrible overall. They've made the ECAC playoffs 5 times out of those 9 years. Their best 3-year stretch was from 2008-2011 where they made it to the finals, the semi finals, and the quarter finals respectively. The problem lies in the downward trend over the last 4 years and that's missing the ECAC playoffs 3 out of 4 years and the last 2 years in a row. I don't see them making the 2015-16 playoffs either. I've lost faith in his ability to keep this program as competitive as it needs to be to break this downward trend. Given the comments of others here about what they've observed in his coaching style and decisions, I'm not alone in my opinion but maybe I'm among the few that is willing to voice it in such a straightforward way. Sorry of that offends anyone but that's the reality for RPI as I see it.
    Contradicting yourself with these two posts. They've made the playoffs at least "once every four years" in the years you refer.

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  • shelfit
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Originally posted by jericho View Post
    If you are a long time ECAC "fan," how long have you been following RPI? If you go back and look at the results from previous years, you'd see that RPI has been hovering around the 6-9 mark for a while, which is to be expected. Also, you'll see that RPI has even made some nice in the conference tournament as a #6 seed. Oh the horror. You do know that John Burke has bosses right? He could be Scotty Bowman, if he has little support from said bosses he has to do the best with what he is given, which I think he is. It also takes more to be a successful program than just the coach. Also, there's the fact that of all the things that the Institute leadership has to worry about, I'm sure women's hockey is a fraction of a blip on the radar.
    So I guess we're going to do this. Ok then. I've followed the ECAC since before RPI joined the league. Let's get some detail - here's their 9-year ECAC results:

    2006-07
    8-13-1
    Lost in Quarter finals 2 games straight to Dartmouth.

    2007-08
    6-12-4
    (missed the playoffs)

    2008-09
    11-8-3
    Lost in Finals to Harvard 6-1.

    2009-10
    11-7-4
    Lost in Semi finals to Cornell 5-4.

    2010-11
    8-12-2
    Lost in Quarter finals in 2 games straight to Cornell.

    2011-12
    6-14-2
    (missed the playoffs)

    2012-13
    8-12-2
    Lost in Quarter finals in 2 games straight to Clarkson.

    2013-14
    6-14-2
    (missed the playoffs)

    2014-15
    5-16-1
    (missed the playoffs)

    It's really not that terrible overall. They've made the ECAC playoffs 5 times out of those 9 years. Their best 3-year stretch was from 2008-2011 where they made it to the finals, the semi finals, and the quarter finals respectively. The problem lies in the downward trend over the last 4 years and that's missing the ECAC playoffs 3 out of 4 years and the last 2 years in a row. I don't see them making the 2015-16 playoffs either. I've lost faith in his ability to keep this program as competitive as it needs to be to break this downward trend. Given the comments of others here about what they've observed in his coaching style and decisions, I'm not alone in my opinion but maybe I'm among the few that is willing to voice it in such a straightforward way. Sorry if that offends anyone but that's the reality for RPI as I see it.
    Last edited by shelfit; 05-20-2015, 10:26 AM.

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  • jericho
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Originally posted by shelfit View Post
    Ralph, I'm just a long-time ECAC and WCHA fan. I have had the opportunity to talk with him and I like him. He seems like a very nice guy but he's never going to ignite much of a flame in any athlete's heart - with no offense to him personally, he's pretty dull to talk with. He doesn't exactly ooze with energy or passion. I agree with you about the school and its inability to attract the top talent and have said the same thing in the past too only to get shot down by what I guess would be ardent RPI fans. The reality is some schools just aren't going to be able to get to the NCAA tournament no matter who the coach is. RPI is one of those schools. However I think it's perfectly ok to expect some appearances in a team's conference playoffs. Most people feel at least once every four years isn't too much to expect so that all graduating players can experience playoff hockey at least one year out of their four years of eligibility. That's not happening under current "leadership" and isn't going to happen until new leadership takes over. Even then it will take some time to get back to the ECAC playoffs. Other than that hkypassion gave some detailed reasons that I don't need to waste time repeating.
    If you are a long time ECAC "fan," how long have you been following RPI? If you go back and look at the results from previous years, you'd see that RPI has been hovering around the 6-9 mark for a while, which is to be expected. Also, you'll see that RPI has even made some nice in the conference tournament as a #6 seed. Oh the horror. You do know that John Burke has bosses right? He could be Scotty Bowman, if he has little support from said bosses he has to do the best with what he is given, which I think he is. It also takes more to be a successful program than just the coach. Also, there's the fact that of all the things that the Institute leadership has to worry about, I'm sure women's hockey is a fraction of a blip on the radar.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    new thread http://board.uscho.com/showthread.ph...ngineers-15-16

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  • vicb
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Originally posted by turk181 View Post
    Women’s schedule is out, open up the season @ home with 2vs NoDak (not counting the exh. game)..... http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=whock&
    I guess they want no part of 2 games with Clarkson since I only see one on the schedule .

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  • turk181
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Women’s schedule is out, open up the season @ home with 2vs NoDak (not counting the exh. game)..... http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=whock&

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  • engineer
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Originally posted by HockeyEast33 View Post
    Based on your post history, I'll guess that that player is Ana Orzechowski. Thanks, Mom or Dad!!!!
    My daughter was on the team last year, but good try.

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  • HockeyEast33
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    Originally posted by engineer View Post
    I have been to several of their games this year and I think they are lacking a player that can take control and run their PP. I believe one of the recruits coming in this season will be filling that roll based on what I am hearing.....
    Based on your post history, I'll guess that that player is Ana Orzechowski. Thanks, Mom or Dad!!!!

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  • shelfit
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Originally posted by engineer View Post
    I have been to several of their games this year and I think they are lacking a player that can take control and run their PP. I believe one of the recruits coming in this season will be filling that roll based on what I am hearing.

    It can't always fall on the coaches to improve the players from year to year. The players have to take some responsibility in their development too. At the D1 level, If your not working at your game in the off season then you are going to fall behind the competition. I've seen several RPI practices this past year and they are run well and the girls are being coached.
    You're not working on your spelling so you are falling behind the competition.

    There is a ton more to running a successful program than running good practices. I'll leave it at that.

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  • engineer
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Originally posted by hkypassion View Post
    Ok, let's start with straight statistics: since his last contract extension in 2010 his win % is 25%!! Add to that his win% in the final 10 league games over that same contract period is worse at 23%!! Let's not even touch his PP%!! He is less than dynamic in the way of offensive creativity and has a very bad habit of blaming the defense (ex-goalie issue?!). You can't win if you don't score. And the girls need to be creative which is not a strong suit of a defense minded coach.

    Secondly, although they don't have any U18 players on their roster, they do have past National Camp players. The problem is these girls come in highly skilled as freshman, but then do not continue to improve due to a lack of coaching. That's why the epic collapse at the end of their seasons historically - other coaches do a good job improving their teams as the season goes along, but not at RPI. These girls work hard and have talent - talent enough to make the ECAC playoffs - they just don't have anyone developing them on an ongoing basis to achieve this goal.

    Lastly, if the rumor is correct, the outgoing AD helped out "his bud" by giving him another contract extension! Every other contract extension was announced except this one (if rumor is correct) - why? He has not EARNED any extension with his track record. Unless the new AD listens to feedback, looks at his track record, and makes the change it will be tough to get back to the winning ways. And the longer it takes to turn this around, the harder it will be to recruit any level of quality player (there are girls who want the quality education!).
    I have been to several of their games this year and I think they are lacking a player that can take control and run their PP. I believe one of the recruits coming in this season will be filling that roll based on what I am hearing.

    It can't always fall on the coaches to improve the players from year to year. The players have to take some responsibility in their development too. At the D1 level, If your not working at your game in the off season then you are going to fall behind the competition. I've seen several RPI practices this past year and they are run well and the girls are being coached.

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  • shelfit
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    Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    I don't know what your connection to RPI and Coach Burke is. I also know little about how well he coaches, but this time of year I am always optimistic. It does not appear that RPI is able to get blue chip recruits which really does not surprise me since RPI is a technical school. (Rhetorical question: How did CCT win the championship in 2014? I should have said technical school which doesn't suck. ) Considering what he has to work with, being at the border of making the playoffs or not is about what I would expect.
    Ralph, I'm just a long-time ECAC and WCHA fan. I have had the opportunity to talk with him and I like him. He seems like a very nice guy but he's never going to ignite much of a flame in any athlete's heart - with no offense to him personally, he's pretty dull to talk with. He doesn't exactly ooze with energy or passion. I agree with you about the school and its inability to attract the top talent and have said the same thing in the past too only to get shot down by what I guess would be ardent RPI fans. The reality is some schools just aren't going to be able to get to the NCAA tournament no matter who the coach is. RPI is one of those schools. However I think it's perfectly ok to expect some appearances in a team's conference playoffs. Most people feel at least once every four years isn't too much to expect so that all graduating players can experience playoff hockey at least one year out of their four years of eligibility. That's not happening under current "leadership" and isn't going to happen until new leadership takes over. Even then it will take some time to get back to the ECAC playoffs. Other than that hkypassion gave some detailed reasons that I don't need to waste time repeating.

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