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  • UCBadger
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    Re: "Mid"-Season Results!

    Originally posted by Transplanted Tiger Fan View Post

    Pioneers#1 claims the mid-season "booby prize”, with a drop similar to that of a number of our DIII teams in the rankings this year.
    That may be, but you have to admit, he should get some bonus points for this prophetic question:

    Originally posted by Pioneers#1 View Post
    I know this is a long shot, but with our recent interest in Aquiring Candians on our team and now that we have so many on our roster so far for the upcoming season, does anyone give Utica a shot at the top 10 rankings or even the "Top 15" in the country?? if not, do tell why. Thanks!

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  • Transplanted Tiger Fan
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    "Mid"-Season Results!

    I believe last week's poll was pretty-much the mid-point of the season for DIII as a whole in terms of average number of games played, but there were just too many flippin' ties in that poll. I figured I had better wait a week to see how it shakes-out before compiling the mid-season results... shown below:

    ThatGuy_11 holds-serve, and maintains the top spot in the mid-season scoring.

    Pioneers#1 claims the mid-season "booby prize”, with a drop similar to that of a number of our DIII teams in the rankings this year.

    And norm1909... nice charge! From second-to-last to second-place... I gotta say, you are the odds-on favorite for this year's "Nostradamus Award".

    The complete rankings (according to the scoring method with absolutely no statistical merit):
    Score User Name
    275.4 ThatGuy_11
    264.4 norm1909
    235.7 CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
    230.8 PrezdeJohnson09
    230.4 XYZ
    228.8 93GreatLaker
    223.3 LakerFan11
    210.3 NESCAC Fan
    206.4 NUProf
    205.6 Irishdave
    203.6 Transplanted Tiger Fan
    202.4 NorthernLite
    196.5 collegehcky2
    191.8 MW4Bucky&SNC
    185.3 westscout
    162.6 Pioneers#1


    But here's the kicker... I was curious to see how the official USCHO Pre-Season Poll would compare to the current poll in this little exercise as well. While ineligible for any prize or glory, that Pre-Season poll comes-out on-top of the mid-season scores at 288.1.

    Lots of hockey to be played, and there is certain to be a LOT of movement in the polls before the end of the year. Stay tuned...
    Cheers!!!
    Last edited by Transplanted Tiger Fan; 01-19-2011, 11:08 PM. Reason: Added Scoring Method Disclaimer :-)

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  • ThatGuy_11
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    Re: The Results are IN!!!

    KICKASS. and to think!! people told me that I was wrong :P

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  • Transplanted Tiger Fan
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    The Results are IN!!!

    With the wonders of some creative Excel programming, the official USCHO Poll was simply droped-in, and *poof* - the results are in!!

    The completely unofficial winner of the Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Poll rankings (again, according to scoring method with absolutely no statistical merit) is:
    ThatGuy_11

    And “the booby prize” goes to:
    NESCAC Fan

    Find yourself here, and see how you rank:
    Score User Name
    598.0 ThatGuy_11
    540.5 93GreatLaker
    539.4 LakerFan11
    537.1 XYZ
    525.5 CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
    506.7 collegehcky2
    501.1 Pioneers#1
    493.2 MW4Bucky&SNC
    452.7 westscout
    445.5 NorthernLite
    432.4 PrezdeJohnson09
    400.7 Irishdave
    395.5 NUProf
    385.7 Transplanted Tiger Fan
    350.6 norm1909
    251.4 NESCAC Fan

    But don’t fear... even if you find yourself at or near the bottom of the list, there is still the mid-season and end-of-the-year scoring, where the prestigious “Nostradamus Award” is given-out.

    Well done, ThatGuy_11 (and you too, NESCAC Fan!!). Your names have been added to the Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Poll Hall of Fame/Shame, where they will live-on forever (or until I “retire” again!!).

    Thanks for playin’.
    Cheers!!!

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  • puckrfactor
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2010-2011 Edition

    Looks like both the Gusies and Pipers have a decent returning class and a crop of new recruits. Who should be the odds on favorite coming out of the MIAC?

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  • PrezdeJohnson09
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2010-2011 Edition

    Originally posted by pete99race View Post
    http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0809/schedules/gusm
    The Gusties made the FF two seasons ago.
    What he said.

    They've had a darn good team the last few years.

    Martinson was scary good.

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  • pete99race
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2010-2011 Edition

    Originally posted by puckrfactor View Post
    I am rather new to this site, but I find it interesting that Hamline and Gustavus Adolphus have been mentioned several times as potential top ten teams on this thread, yet there is very little discussion anywhere on this blog about MIAC schools. When was the last time a MIAC team made it to the frozen four? Does the fact that this year's finals will be in the Twin cities provide any incentive for the MIAC schools to do well this season? I would think so, but other opinions are welcomed.
    http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0809/schedules/gusm
    The Gusties made the FF two seasons ago.

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  • puckrfactor
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2010-2011 Edition

    I am rather new to this site, but I find it interesting that Hamline and Gustavus Adolphus have been mentioned several times as potential top ten teams on this thread, yet there is very little discussion anywhere on this blog about MIAC schools. When was the last time a MIAC team made it to the frozen four? Does the fact that this year's finals will be in the Twin cities provide any incentive for the MIAC schools to do well this season? I would think so, but other opinions are welcomed.

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  • PrezdeJohnson09
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2010-2011 Edition

    Originally posted by NESCAC Fan View Post

    2) Norwich: Excellent firepower and goaltending. 10 players with >20pts and 3 with >30pts. Losing 2 scorers with >20pts and #1 goalie. #2 goalie excellent. Special teams not on par with many top 10 teams but defense allows a ridiculous 19.8 shots per game.
    As much as Klinger was a solid last line of defense for the Cadets, the biggest strength was their excellent corps of six defensemen.

    Tallent and Stitt are tough losses and Norwich will have to try and find capable replacements to fill those holes if they are going to see the same kind of gaudy defensive statistics.

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  • pete99race
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2010-2011 Edition

    [QUOTE=NESCAC Fan;4887865

    7) St. Norbert: Perennial top 3 losing alot of offense including their #1,2, 3, and 5 top scoring forwards and their #2 scoring D. In addition they are losing #1 goalie. That is a lot to replace.
    .[/QUOTE]
    Check your facts next time:
    1 -- Top three scorers graduated. Not #5.
    2 -- Tikka graduated, but he was ranked #5 in D-man offensive production last season.
    3 -- O'Brien = gone????...haven't heard that.
    Need several returning (or newly arriving) forwards to make up for #1 and the Knights will be very competitive again!!!

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  • PrezdeJohnson09
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2010-2011 Edition

    Originally posted by NESCAC Fan View Post
    1) Oswego: Tremendous offensive output. Put up 154 goals last year. Have 5 players with >30pts and 8 >20pts. Only losing 2 20pt scores and #1 goalie. #2 Goalie had better save%. Great special teams and defense allowed 24.7 shots per game.
    Incorrect.

    Oswego only has three 30+ point players returning. Selleck left school early and Musselwhite graduated. (Both HUGE losses) Dormeidy was also invaluable as well as a two-way forward.

    They still have plenty of fire power returning but they definitely have some big shoes to fill with those three as well as losing KGT.

    Beckwith hasn't shown the ability to stay healthy in his first two eyars even though I do believe he is poised for a breakout this year.

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  • thomaa
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2010-2011 Edition

    O'Brien is still on campus for SNC. Which # 1 goalie do you mean, or is there something else going on?

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  • NESCAC Fan
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2010-2011 Edition

    1) Oswego: Tremendous offensive output. Put up 154 goals last year. Have 5 players with >30pts and 8 >20pts. Only losing 2 20pt scores and #1 goalie. #2 Goalie had better save%. Great special teams and defense allowed 24.7 shots per game.

    2) Norwich: Excellent firepower and goaltending. 10 players with >20pts and 3 with >30pts. Losing 2 scorers with >20pts and #1 goalie. #2 goalie excellent. Special teams not on par with many top 10 teams but defense allows a ridiculous 19.8 shots per game.

    3) Adrian: Most goals scored last year (188) and have 11 players with >20pts and 7 with >30pts. WOW. Only losing 1 top scorer and 2 players overall. Special teams best overall with .299 PP and .905 PK. Goaltending excellent and defense allows 27.1 shots per game.

    4) Middlebury: Best combination of goals scored, PP + PK in NESCAC. Team knows how to win and does. 2 scores had >30pts and 7 > 20pts and they only lose 2 top scorers. Defense always stingy giving up 24.4 shots per game and goaltending excellent with .903 save%.

    5) Hamline: Has the tools to contend. 6 skaters scored >20pts and 1 >30pts. Lose only their #2 scoring forward. Excellent goaltending with .901 save% and solid special teams. D allows 26.3 shots per game.

    6) Plattsburgh: Posted 125 goals last year with only 1 player with >30pts and 4 with >20pts. Well distributed and solid offense and only lose 3 players to graduation and only 1 top scorer. Excellent goaltending with .915 save% and excellent special teams. Allow 24.2 shots per game.

    7) St. Norbert: Perennial top 3 losing alot of offense including their #1,2, 3, and 5 top scoring forwards and their #2 scoring D. In addition they are losing #1 goalie. That is a lot to replace.

    8) Marian: Solid goaltending and solid special teams. Posted 131 goals last year with 2 >30pt scorers and 7 >20pt scorers. Losing only 1 top scorer and #2 goalie.

    9) Manhattanville: Solid goaltending and good special teams. Scored 114 goals last year with 3 >30pt scorers and 6 >20pts. Losing 4 of their top 6 scorers including their top dman and their #2,4,5 forwards. Very stingy defense allowing 23 shots per game.

    10) Hamilton: Sleeper pick. Solid goaltending and special teams. Coach of the year. Only 3 scorers > 20pts and one graduates but recruiting class is strong, experienced and big.

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  • bakdraft21
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2010-2011 Edition

    Originally posted by CARDS_rule_the_Burgh View Post
    What Prof said.

    AND... Oswego loses KGT, Musselwhite, and Selleck (among others), whereas Plattsburgh graduated only 3, none were "stars" that will seriously cripple the team. Sure, Lags and Fox, and Whitelaw, et al. are returning. But can you seriously tell me that the numbers of those players weren't seriously padded by the presence of Selleck on the ice?

    Goaltending in Plattsburgh started to sort itself out at the end of last season, and should be the last of the Cardinals' worries this season. Oswego is left with a starter named Beckwith who doesn't seem to have much luck in stay game-fit for a whole season. Oswego's core is gone, for the second time since their 07 championship. Plattsburgh's core is still there.

    And if you're referring to THIS year's recruiting class, nothing there seems to scream "Oswego's is clearly better". Their each better than the other in different respects, and that reflects the differing coaching philosphies of the 2 schools. Sure, Oswego has a lot more guys with high numbers, but Plattsburgh has a lot of guys who contributed as team players to some successful (and soem not-so-successful) teams this year. None more so than Jensen, who put up .796 pts/game in the NAHL championship team. And please don't give me the "2 DI transfers" argument. Not all DI transfers work out so well. In fact, believe Oswego has a rather poor track record in that department (the most recent of which being Tim "Midol-man" Potter).




    If you asked me, I'd say they're about even this year. Which fits in very nicely with the postseason last year, in which both lost hard-fought semifinals. Oswego may have gotten the SUNYAC sweep on Plattsburgh, and I will concede that they were the superior team last year... but neither made it further in the NCAAs than the other.

    So, I would like to add on to what Prof said by saying: When two teams are very close, for the preseason things tend to lean towards
    (1) the one who's been in that echelon longest,
    and
    (2) the one who lost less from the previous year.

    That, my friend, is why I placed Plattsburgh ahead of Oswego (#3 ahead of #4... what a travesty! ). I'm not going to lie, homerism probably has some influence on this opinion. But I'd be very interested to see your response to my arguments.
    WOW!!! Well thought out and written, perhaps a resume to the NY TIMES is in order.............nevertheless, they both should have great seasons, and would not be surprised to see both in NCAA postseason play, hopefully the Final 4.........lets get ready to rumble!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • ThatGuy_11
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2010-2011 Edition

    ::shrug:: you folks here are always lookin for a fight!!

    i just wanted another opinion is all, when i walk through the campus centre and see that shiny new SUNYAC trophy from last season, thats all the proof i need. but longevity is certainly a fine reason for placing them ahead. i'm very excited for this season and what it has in store. saturday's contest against the rattlers shouldn't really be anything that difficult, but still get a chance to see everyone in action. let the games begin!

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