Why does the West even have hockey?

[norm1909]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

The committee members who spoke off the record and wished to remain anonymous. If you choose not to believe it, then that's your prerogative.

Did they speak to you?

To flip the coin on you, prove to me that the committee willingly screwed over St. Norbert with no help from the NCAA. Unless you provide a source and a quote, I won't believe you.

No, I do agree the NCAA is the source of the problem, my problem with the committee, is that as you noted, the problem has existed for longer than most of them have been members. That said, that fact doesn't mean it no longer is a problem, in fact, IMO, it increases the burden on them to do something about it - at least publicly recognize it is wrong and start towards a solution.

Personal beliefs above duty? Seriously?

You are right again, to expect them to put their duty (to promote good sportsmanship and serve in the best interest of the sport) above their Personal beliefs (egotist), is unrealistic.

Their duty is to serve the D-III hockey community by going through the crap of dealing with the NCAA and selection criteria. The NCAA followed a guideline that has been in place since before many of the committee members were a part of the committee. They joined the committee knowing full well what the rules were. It's not like the NCAA strayed wildly away from their normal guidelines, and it's not like the NCAA made up the rules as they went along. They followed the guidelines that were already in place.

Based on that, it would be absolutely childish to put your "principles" ahead of the rules and one ruling.

As far as the "some members resisted," yes - they in fact voted NOT to have Adrian go to St. Norbert... but you can keep on not believing that.

...and I won't even comment on "their primary task is to promote good sportsmanship." What is the source of this comment?

Well, if their "primary task" is something other than "promote good sportsmanship", what is it - to be puppets - mouthpieces for the NCAA? If so, the problem is theirs.

I agree, "they joined the committee knowing full well what the rules were", that doesn't mean they have no obligation to try to create a better system, anyone can maintain the status quo, competent individuals can make it better.

[osuhockeyfan]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Norm, I'm sure that if you ran the world it'd be full of rainbows and puppies and unicorns, and that everyone would be happy and do the right thing. Sadly this is not the case. I hate to be cynical but have you ever stopped to think that perhaps they don't want to change the system or perhaps that they are incapable of doing so? Do I think that something should be done? Yes. The truth of the matter is that only a miracle is going to bring such change about and that until such a time we are going to have to grin and bear it or else find a new sport to follow. For those who are fed up with hockey might I suggest the thrilling world of ribbon dancing?

[jerrynu26]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

He should stand by his convictions, and boycott the tournament.

Then even more people will be happY!

[norm1909]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

He should stand by his convictions, and boycott the tournament.

Then even more people will be happY!

While I will be in Boston, I will have WIRY on the laptop

[norm1909]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Norm, I'm sure that if you ran the world it'd be full of rainbows and puppies and unicorns, and that everyone would be happy and do the right thing. Sadly this is not the case. I hate to be cynical but have you ever stopped to think that perhaps they don't want to change the system or perhaps that they are incapable of doing so? Do I think that something should be done? Yes. The truth of the matter is that only a miracle is going to bring such change about and that until such a time we are going to have to grin and bear it or else find a new sport to follow. For those who are fed up with hockey might I suggest the thrilling world of ribbon dancing?

If I had seen ANY evidence of the Selection Committee EVER trying, I might believe "that they are incapable of doing so, but since I haven't, I believe "that perhaps they don't want to change the system" - that is my problem with them. While I am not amused by the talking heads of the NCAA, I find great amusement in the talents of the student athletes despite the best efforts of the NCAA to totally ruin it, yes Bruce has greatly diminished the sport, but he hasn't killed it yet.

[joeyc3402]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

If I had seen ANY evidence of the Selection Committee EVER trying, I might believe "that they are incapable of doing so, but since I haven't, I believe "that perhaps they don't want to change the system" - that is my problem with them. While I am not amused by the talking heads of the NCAA, I find great amusement in the talents of the student athletes despite the best efforts of the NCAA to totally ruin it, yes Bruce has greatly diminished the sport, but he hasn't killed it yet.

I've seen no evidence showing that they haven't tried everything in their power to change things, so I'm going to say that they've tried to change the system.

[norm1909]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

I've seen no evidence showing that they haven't tried everything in their power to change things, so I'm going to say that they've tried to change the system.

I believe SOME may have tried, but by now, they have to try harder (maybe a class from Avis ).

What I have "seen" is a history of closed door meetings and secrets to reach decisions that the public, though state tuition assistance programs, PELL, GSL's, direct aid, research grants, the GI Bill, ROTC, tax-exempt status, etc have significantly funded. This isn't the board of Toyota, these are the people we trust to represent our student athletes; I find their public record a disgrace.

[jerrynu26]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Yet you continue to support them with money..................

[norm1909]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Yet you continue to support them with money..................

From post #35 above:

... While I am not amused by the talking heads of the NCAA, I find great amusement in the talents of the student athletes despite the best efforts of the NCAA to totally ruin it, yes Bruce has greatly diminished the sport, but he hasn't killed it yet.

I do continue to state my thoughts on them.

[jconnor]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

He's baaaaaaack.....

I wonder how he feels now? M'Ville looses to Curry, Elmira beats Curry, Yep, M'Ville should have been there

[GoBucky36]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

The West has hockey so that we can show those folks from out east what real hockey is.

[PSUChamps2001]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

The West has hockey so that we can show those folks from out east what real hockey is.

Yea they've done that a lot in the past 15 years...

[UST#1]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Do we have hear this same old ***** every year?

[Matthew Webb]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Do we have hear this same old ***** every year?

Of course. Besides, life would be far less entertaining without it.

[UST#1]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Of course. Besides, life would be far less entertaining without it.

Entertaining?