Why does the West even have hockey?

[norm1909]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

...in other words, "nothing."

True, if they are cowards, or otherwise have something to hide - such as incompetency.

[LakerEagleLover]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Larry, why not ask them when you see them in Lake Placid? We can lock the doors, dim the lights and waterboard, I mean beerboard them until they give you the answer you are looking for.....

[joeyc3402]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

True, if they are cowards, or otherwise have something to hide - such as incompetency.

People are mad - I get that. However, how many people are mad enough to start a lynch mob to demand answers besides yourself?

We know the NCAA is all about money. By not making public statements saying "we proposed it, but the NCAA shot it down," I would argue that the committee as a whole is performing a more admirable action by taking the blame, something that "cowards" wouldn't do.

But if you don't believe the "hearsay," then contact the committee yourself. Start an online petition. Make a blog posting. Contact Mitch Albom and have him demand answers. There are many more ways to waste your time on this issue.

[norm1909]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Larry, why not ask them when you see them in Lake Placid? We can lock the doors, dim the lights and waterboard, I mean beerboard them until they give you the answer you are looking for.....

Sounds like fun, but I doubt they will won't make a public appearance, and I'll be in Boston. But it does sound fun

[PSUChamps2001]

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Sounds like fun, but I doubt they will won't make a public appearance, and I'll be in Boston. But it does sound fun

They were actually very open when I asked about the noisemaker rule and why it was allowed per their handbook, and then was given a totally different rules and guidelines for the "Championships"... hey maybe thats what we are all missing. Maybe the NCAA (not the committee) have a totally different set of rules that none of us know about...

[LakerEagleLover]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Sounds like fun, but I doubt they will won't make a public appearance, and I'll be in Boston. But it does sound fun

Can we at least beerboard Emery???

[norm1909]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

People are mad - I get that. However, how many people are mad enough to start a lynch mob to demand answers besides yourself?

We know the NCAA is all about money. By not making public statements saying "we proposed it, but the NCAA shot it down," I would argue that the committee as a whole is performing a more admirable action by taking the blame, something that "cowards" wouldn't do.

But if you don't believe the "hearsay," then contact the committee yourself. Start an online petition. Make a blog posting. Contact Mitch Albom and have him demand answers. There are many more ways to waste your time on this issue.

I feel I owe a reply to those who reply

As for the committee "taking the blame" - let them at least do that - let them publicly state - "the NCAA is all about money" - and we are the NCAA. No, their actions (in action) make them look like cowards, standing in front of their mirrors like the queen in Snow White.

Sometimes justice takes time - but it usually wins.

[norm1909]

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Can we at least beerboard Emery???

Humm, maybe after a beerboard - you could get a handshake from him

[imafan]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

We know the NCAA is all about money. By not making public statements saying "we proposed it, but the NCAA shot it down," I would argue that the committee as a whole is performing a more admirable action by taking the blame, something that "cowards" wouldn't do.

We all know the NCAA is about money, it will be interesting to see what they do next year, or would have done this year if the Final Four was in the West. Would they have had 2 western teams in the Final Four, my guess is yes. Next year, what will they do?

[joeyc3402]

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As for the committee "taking the blame" - let them at least do that - let them publicly state - "the NCAA is all about money" - and we are the NCAA. No, their actions (in action) make them look like cowards, standing in front of their mirrors like the queen in Snow White.

OK - you lost me here.

The committee submitted a proposal that the NCAA shot down.

The committee is a group designated by the NCAA to select the teams for the NCAA to invite. The NCAA can approve or reject those selections. In this case, the NCAA rejected the selections.

Again - the committee IS NOT the NCAA. They don't owe anyone an apology or an explanation, because right now, they're essentially taking the hit for the NCAA, who is the group that forced the committee to take away SNC's rightful bye. If you want them to stick to their principles and resign, great.

It's their job to pick a tournament bracket and participating teams according to the NCAA's guidelines. To set aside their duty for personal beliefs would be absolutely selfish, and THAT should require official "public" statements and explanations. Luckily for us, the committee accepted their hand and finished their job that they were tasked with.

Like I said, though, if you want actual change or explanations, call them yourselves. Otherwise, quit going on about how they owe all of us an explanation, because - guess what? - it's not coming.

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

OK - you lost me here.

The committee submitted a proposal that the NCAA shot down.

The committee is a group designated by the NCAA to select the teams for the NCAA to invite. The NCAA can approve or reject those selections. In this case, the NCAA rejected the selections.

Again - the committee IS NOT the NCAA. They don't owe anyone an apology or an explanation, because right now, they're essentially taking the hit for the NCAA, who is the group that forced the committee to take away SNC's rightful bye. If you want them to stick to their principles and resign, great.

It's their job to pick a tournament bracket and participating teams according to the NCAA's guidelines. To set aside their duty for personal beliefs would be absolutely selfish, and THAT should require official "public" statements and explanations. Luckily for us, the committee accepted their hand and finished their job that they were tasked with.

Like I said, though, if you want actual change or explanations, call them yourselves. Otherwise, quit going on about how they owe all of us an explanation, because - guess what? - it's not coming.

The issue is, in part, the statements in bold. although I have mentioned it myself, Norm is right to call it hearsay. There is no proof of this occurring.

Also, NCAA (in this alleged occurrence), did not reject team selections, as your post seems to imply (unless I'm misreading it). They (allegedly) rejected the (allegedly) proposed tournament bracket, because there was an alternative with fewer flights (something the NCAA Championships Handbook specifically calls for).

The rest of this post I have no quarrel with.

[norm1909]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

...
The committee submitted a proposal that the NCAA shot down...

What is the source of this comment?

... If you want them to stick to their principles and resign, great...

IF they had honorable principles - they would have resigned.

... It's their job to pick a tournament bracket and participating teams according to the NCAA's guidelines. To set aside their duty for personal beliefs would be absolutely selfish, and THAT should require official "public" statements and explanations. Luckily for us, the committee accepted their hand and finished their job that they were tasked with....

I don't see that as their primary task - I see their primary task as supporting good sportsmanship - at that they failed. To put ones desire to have the status of a "committee member" or "committee chair" above ethics is selfish. Unfortunately for us, we are victims of at least the majority of the committee (I have to believe that some members resisted).

...Like I said, though, if you want actual change or explanations, call them yourselves. Otherwise, quit going on about how they owe all of us an explanation, because - guess what? - it's not coming.

I agree, it is not coming - because there is no excuse for what they did, so of course they have nothing to say.

[joeyc3402]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

What is the source of this comment?

The committee members who spoke off the record and wished to remain anonymous. If you choose not to believe it, then that's your prerogative.

To flip the coin on you, prove to me that the committee willingly screwed over St. Norbert with no help from the NCAA. Unless you provide a source and a quote, I won't believe you.

IF they had honorable principles - they would have resigned.

I don't see that as their primary task - I see their primary task as supporting good sportsmanship - at that they failed. To put ones desire to have the status of a "committee member" or "committee chair" above ethics is selfish. Unfortunately for us, we are victims of at least the majority of the committee (I have to believe that some members resisted).

Personal beliefs above duty? Seriously?

Their duty is to serve the D-III hockey community by going through the crap of dealing with the NCAA and selection criteria. The NCAA followed a guideline that has been in place since before many of the committee members were a part of the committee. They joined the committee knowing full well what the rules were. It's not like the NCAA strayed wildly away from their normal guidelines, and it's not like the NCAA made up the rules as they went along. They followed the guidelines that were already in place.

Based on that, it would be absolutely childish to put your "principles" ahead of the rules and one ruling.

As far as the "some members resisted," yes - they in fact voted NOT to have Adrian go to St. Norbert... but you can keep on not believing that.

...and I won't even comment on "their primary task is to promote good sportsmanship." What is the source of this comment?

[valliant defender]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Oh I'm sorry ,I thought this was the------ why does the ECAC West even have hockey thread,anyway the ncaa is a joke.

[LakerEagleLover]

Re: Why does the West even have hockey?

Oh I'm sorry ,I thought this was the------ why does the ECAC West even have hockey thread,anyway the ncaa is a joke.

He's baaaaaaack.....