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  • #61
    After historically being somewhere between not-good and really-bad, Skidmore has put together a few very good seasons in a row. They aren't a top-tier name in hockey, but a nice program. Will be curious to see where they land. Empire 8 seems the most logical.

    Wonder if Skidmore has ever approached the NESCAC for membership overall? From an academic and reputational standpoint, would put them with a different caliber of college.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Pioneer247 View Post
      Hobart, Skidmore and Manhattanville getting affiliate membership to the E8 and playing in that conference would be fun
      I know overall geneseo will save a bunch of money moving to the empire 8 but man in hockey terms that was a short sighted move. if russ knew st john fisher was adding hockey i have a hard time believing geneseo didnt know that was a possibility long b4 russ ever learned. Now theyre going to a conference that will def include Utica and Elmira in 2025-2026 most likely hobart and maybe skidmore??? talk about a murderers row.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by MikeMidd View Post
        After historically being somewhere between not-good and really-bad, Skidmore has put together a few very good seasons in a row. They aren't a top-tier name in hockey, but a nice program. Will be curious to see where they land. Empire 8 seems the most logical.

        Wonder if Skidmore has ever approached the NESCAC for membership overall? From an academic and reputational standpoint, would put them with a different caliber of college.
        Sometimes I feel like the Ivy League would be more likely to add a new member than the NESCAC.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by MikeMidd View Post
          After historically being somewhere between not-good and really-bad, Skidmore has put together a few very good seasons in a row. They aren't a top-tier name in hockey, but a nice program. Will be curious to see where they land. Empire 8 seems the most logical.

          Wonder if Skidmore has ever approached the NESCAC for membership overall? From an academic and reputational standpoint, would put them with a different caliber of college.
          Skidmore may have been a better choice than Connecticut College for the last NESCAC spot in 1982(Union left in 1977), as they both transitioned from the women's college world in the 70's, but I'm thinking the door is closed to new entrants. Skidmore is a great member of the Liberty League which is a strong league on its own with slightly lower average SAT scores (Although no one requires them anymore)

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          • #65
            Originally posted by MikeMidd View Post
            After historically being somewhere between not-good and really-bad, Skidmore has put together a few very good seasons in a row. They aren't a top-tier name in hockey, but a nice program. Will be curious to see where they land. Empire 8 seems the most logical.

            Wonder if Skidmore has ever approached the NESCAC for membership overall? From an academic and reputational standpoint, would put them with a different caliber of college.
            Skidmore may have been a better choice than Connecticut College for the last NESCAC spot in 1982(Union left in 1977), as they both transitioned from the women's college world in the 70's, but I'm thinking the door is closed to new entrants. Skidmore is a great member of the Liberty League which is a strong league on its own with slightly lower average SAT scores (Although no one requires them anymore)

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Tom Coughlin View Post

              Under the current setup, the top 9-10 PWR teams make it to the tournament. While it is a 12 team tournament, it's hard to say that anybody outside of the top 10 has a legit complaint about missing the field. If we were to start seeing teams in the top 8 routinely miss the tournament, then we would be in a position where at large bids are seriously hurting the strength of the field.
              Tom, it's quite possible that several top-10 PW teams could be displaced by BS "tournament champions".

              That is the single most ridiculous aspect of the "selection process", not that isn't doesn't happen in other NCAA sports.

              D-3 pretends to be above the money-fray... Ergo, it looks even more ridiculous when no money is involved, and the same crap is in play.
              Last edited by Fishman'81; 02-15-2024, 09:39 PM.

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              • #67
                Hobart plays at the D3 level in Hockey but also plays at the D1 level in Lacrosse.Playing at the D1 level is becoming extremely challenging with well endowed sports minded universities going all in on NIL and other forms of competing for Athletes and $$$ where money can be made. Hobart probably made a mistake moving up to D1 in lacrosse, they have not made an NCAA tournament in 10 years and are basically a .500 team over time. Hobart competes in the Liberty League and our lax program would be well served to reconsider the move to D3. That said, I wonder if our other Liberty League members that have opted for D1 hockey might reconsider moving back to D3, Clarkson, Union, RPI , RIT...with Hobart and Skidmore it would make one helluva conference. It is probably just smoke thinking they would consider moving to D3, but the new NIL world is creeping into sports other than just Football, and the NCAA is becoming more political at all levels.

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                • #68
                  When d3 lacrosse was started in 1979-80 Hobart won 12 straight national titles and 13 out of 14 I have a feeling they were voluntold to get out of d3 cause other teams were sick of them winning everything for a decade. Hobarts board of trustees actually voted to move the team back down to d3 in 2008 but so many alumni (lacrosse and non lacrosse) complained that they reversed the decision a week later. https://www.mpnnow.com/story/sports/...n/45633581007/
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Bartman View Post

                    Skidmore may have been a better choice than Connecticut College for the last NESCAC spot in 1982(Union left in 1977), as they both transitioned from the women's college world in the 70's, but I'm thinking the door is closed to new entrants. Skidmore is a great member of the Liberty League which is a strong league on its own with slightly lower average SAT scores (Although no one requires them anymore)
                    Interesting one. I'd think historically Conn College probably had closer associations to other NESCAC schools, particularly the Connecticut schools, so an easier fit. (It was actually founded because Wesleyan stopped accepted women.) But I don't think of the more western NESCAC schools like Middlebury, Williams or even Amherst playing Skidmore historically, though could be wrong. And agree Skidmore makes a lot of sense in the Liberty League.

                    Regardless, don't sense the NESCAC has any desire to expand in the slightest, though would be great to see Bates add DIII hockey!

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Bartman View Post
                      Hobart plays at the D3 level in Hockey but also plays at the D1 level in Lacrosse.Playing at the D1 level is becoming extremely challenging with well endowed sports minded universities going all in on NIL and other forms of competing for Athletes and $$$ where money can be made. Hobart probably made a mistake moving up to D1 in lacrosse, they have not made an NCAA tournament in 10 years and are basically a .500 team over time. Hobart competes in the Liberty League and our lax program would be well served to reconsider the move to D3. That said, I wonder if our other Liberty League members that have opted for D1 hockey might reconsider moving back to D3, Clarkson, Union, RPI , RIT...with Hobart and Skidmore it would make one helluva conference. It is probably just smoke thinking they would consider moving to D3, but the new NIL world is creeping into sports other than just Football, and the NCAA is becoming more political at all levels.
                      Bartman, have you lost your mind?

                      I love your posts, but this one must have been done by a body snatcher.

                      The sun will supernova before Clarkson and RPI ever consider dropping hockey to D3. I don’t see Union changing course either. And RIT didn’t spend tens of millions of dollars on a new arena just to go back to D3.

                      As for Hobart lax, we had this discussion before, didn’t we? About how they once did consider going back to D3, but there was an uproar from the alum, and they raised more money to keep them in D1. But like you said, NIL is changing the landscape even though there isn’t much of that in lacrosse.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post

                        Bartman, have you lost your mind?

                        I love your posts, but this one must have been done by a body snatcher.

                        The sun will supernova before Clarkson and RPI ever consider dropping hockey to D3. I don’t see Union changing course either. And RIT didn’t spend tens of millions of dollars on a new arena just to go back to D3.

                        As for Hobart lax, we had this discussion before, didn’t we? About how they once did consider going back to D3, but there was an uproar from the alum, and they raised more money to keep them in D1. But like you said, NIL is changing the landscape even though there isn’t much of that in lacrosse.
                        Especially with Shirley Jackson gone from RPI (not exactly a supporter of the hockey program) and Marty Schmidt as President (class of 81 and a self-professed hockey fan), think the question is how RPI can strengthen hockey rather than drop back down.

                        Union has just agreed with with City of Schenectady and Schenectady County to build a new 3,000 seat rink at Mohawk Harbor on the Mohawk River, so again not likely to drop down.

                        And while I believe Clarkson has had some enrollment issues and has scaled down academic programs, hockey is their premier sport. Feel like it would take a lot to change that. Same goes for St Lawrence.

                        There's clearly hockey ambition at Hobart. Figure out the league situation, then would wonder if they'll think about how to upgrade that rink so it is more competitive compared to similar schools.
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                        • #72
                          I highly doubt that Hobart would move it's hockey to DI. Would they even be allowed to play in the Cooler. It has terrible accomodations. Little fan seating/standing. It is a municipal rink. Plus other issues. Can't see the city of Geneva poning up millions for a new rink. Lastly Hobart would have to upgrade all sports to DI. A huge expense. Just my opinion.
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by DIIIFan View Post
                            I highly doubt that Hobart would move it's hockey to DI. Would they even be allowed to play in the Cooler. It has terrible accomodations. Little fan seating/standing. It is a municipal rink. Plus other issues. Can't see the city of Geneva poning up millions for a new rink. Lastly Hobart would have to upgrade all sports to DI. A huge expense. Just my opinion.
                            Oswego '88
                            Just would have to upgrade all sports to D2, but yes, still a huge jump and I don't think makes any sense for H/WS to do.

                            Remember, William Smith on the women's side is VERY successful in women's soccer and lacrosse and I believe a few other sports.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Bartman View Post
                              Hobart plays at the D3 level in Hockey but also plays at the D1 level in Lacrosse.Playing at the D1 level is becoming extremely challenging with well endowed sports minded universities going all in on NIL and other forms of competing for Athletes and $$$ where money can be made. Hobart probably made a mistake moving up to D1 in lacrosse, they have not made an NCAA tournament in 10 years and are basically a .500 team over time. Hobart competes in the Liberty League and our lax program would be well served to reconsider the move to D3. That said, I wonder if our other Liberty League members that have opted for D1 hockey might reconsider moving back to D3, Clarkson, Union, RPI , RIT...with Hobart and Skidmore it would make one helluva conference. It is probably just smoke thinking they would consider moving to D3, but the new NIL world is creeping into sports other than just Football, and the NCAA is becoming more political at all levels.
                              Heavens do we think alike which may or may not be good!!!

                              I brought up this very point up in the RPI's Houston Fieldhouse during the early part of the 23-24 season to a number of acquaintances who, like me, are knowledgeable multi decade college hockey fans. Also pointed out that in this new era of college sports I thought it was absolutely futile and silly for smaller schools mostly located in well past their primes smaller cities and towns (excluding Rochester size wise and Saratoga prime wise) to continue trying to compete with the big boys of college hockey.

                              Also reminded them that in this new reality of D1 college sports bigger schools with more resources in bigger cities are now poaching players from the have nots of D1 and that it has only just begun and will only get worse. In the two seasons since RPI shut down their program (20-21), RPI has lost several players each of the last two years to what I now call the gigolo portal and I am not expecting it to get any better a few weeks from now. What follows, of course, is that RPI then has go the in to the very same now depleted portal and sift through everyone else's' leftovers, washouts and rejects for replacement gigolos.

                              Also pointed out that the resulting "trades" RPI has made over these last two years has most times resembled being on the losing end of trades like Ernie Broglio for Lou Brock, Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle, Rick Omby and Neil Allen for Keith Hernandez and Hubie Brooks, along with three other nobodys, for Gary Carter. Many of our outgoing, while playing elsewhere, have since played in the NCAA Tournament with one actually winning a natty last year with QPAC.

                              Quite bluntly, the reaction to all the above arguments was that they fell on deaf ears and I ended up getting laughed at. If the reaction in Troy is any indication, there is not going to be a D3 Liberty League hockey conference anytime soon.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by tony/troy View Post

                                Heavens do we think alike which may or may not be good!!!

                                I brought up this very point up in the RPI's Houston Fieldhouse during the early part of the 23-24 season to a number of acquaintances who, like me, are knowledgeable multi decade college hockey fans. Also pointed out that in this new era of college sports I thought it was absolutely futile and silly for smaller schools mostly located in well past their primes smaller cities and towns (excluding Rochester size wise and Saratoga prime wise) to continue trying to compete with the big boys of college hockey.

                                Also reminded them that in this new reality of D1 college sports bigger schools with more resources in bigger cities are now poaching players from the have nots of D1 and that it has only just begun and will only get worse. In the two seasons since RPI shut down their program (20-21), RPI has lost several players each of the last two years to what I now call the gigolo portal and I am not expecting it to get any better a few weeks from now. What follows, of course, is that RPI then has go the in to the very same now depleted portal and sift through everyone else's' leftovers, washouts and rejects for replacement gigolos.

                                Also pointed out that the resulting "trades" RPI has made over these last two years has most times resembled being on the losing end of trades like Ernie Broglio for Lou Brock, Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle, Rick Omby and Neil Allen for Keith Hernandez and Hubie Brooks, along with three other nobodys, for Gary Carter. Many of our outgoing, while playing elsewhere, have since played in the NCAA Tournament with one actually winning a natty last year with QPAC.

                                Quite bluntly, the reaction to all the above arguments was that they fell on deaf ears and I ended up getting laughed at. If the reaction in Troy is any indication, there is not going to be a D3 Liberty League hockey conference anytime soon.
                                Ok , based on Tony/troy's and other comments....there will be no D3 Liberty League Hockey Conference(I really was just smoking something), Hobart hockey will remain D3( I never really advocated for D1 as I love the Cooler ) and Hobart lacrosse will never win 13 D1 championships in a row like they did in D3(old and gray Hobart ex laxers constantly re-live those glorious days as they sit back and take a hit on their now legal weed) Lax will never win even one D1 Championship ......the Hockey team has a better chance of winning 13 D3 Championships in a row....this year we'll settle for a simple back to back.

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