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  • Originally posted by KrbFlint View Post
    All I know is, if you were around this season (outside of game hours, including late into the night last night) Ellsworth was pretty GD frustrated with the effort level all year, sat guys more than once because of it, and had much more of an “edge” as a coach than years prior. I walked into Doyle Hall one afternoon to witness him having the guys stand there looking at the banners while “enthusiastically” telling them the effort it takes to win them.

    I know I said that was my last post for a while, but the idea that Ellsworth is hunky dory with the lack of intensity is wrong. Again, we all agree that there is an issue (this time it’s all out effort), where we differ is my belief that he can get it fixed.

    On topic, that’s what I love about Clark Kerner and Pat O’Neal; full tilt all the time.
    We need to keep peeling the onion back on this situation. Or take the 5Ws approach, I don’t care.

    The responsibility for motivating each and every player to play “full tilt” each and every game does not fall on the Captains. It must come from the top, and if Ellsworth is not able to motivate each player in that fashion, then there is most definitely a leadership void. There’s really no other way to view it.

    Flint, does he have the players’ respect?

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    • Originally posted by Bog Hockey View Post

      We need to keep peeling the onion back on this situation. Or take the 5Ws approach, I don’t care.

      The responsibility for motivating each and every player to play “full tilt” each and every game does not fall on the Captains. It must come from the top, and if Ellsworth is not able to motivate each player in that fashion, then there is most definitely a leadership void. There’s really no other way to view it.

      Flint, does he have the players’ respect?
      I believe he does. Very much so. I have not interacted with every player on the roster, but the ones I have spoken to have expressed a profound respect and admiration for their coach.

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      • Originally posted by ***JCB*** View Post
        What about Dominick Dawes? Won a natty with Neumann and seems to be doing a great job with Stevenson recruiting people to play at a town rink off campus
        I think he'd be a solid bet.

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        • How can they have "so much respect and admiration" that they don't put out the effort?????
          Go 'Wick!

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          • Originally posted by KrbFlint View Post

            I believe he does. Very much so. I have not interacted with every player on the roster, but the ones I have spoken to have expressed a profound respect and admiration for their coach.
            I'm sorry but you are such a BS artist. He's probably a good guy I don't know I've never even met the man but this is taking it way too far. They won 14/26 games. Profound respect and admiration? Give me a break. Most people only feel that way about a few others their whole lives but you're telling us that the majority of this middling team feels this way about Cam Ellsworth? LOL

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            • Originally posted by ***JCB*** View Post

              I'm sorry but you are such a BS artist. He's probably a good guy I don't know I've never even met the man but this is taking it way too far. They won 14/26 games. Profound respect and admiration? Give me a break. Most people only feel that way about a few others their whole lives but you're telling us that the majority of this middling team feels this way about Cam Ellsworth? LOL
              Apology accepted.

              I would encourage you to meet him at some point and have a conversation. I’ve had many. You can think what you want about his hockey coaching but I have found him to be a man of extremely high character. I think the players have the utmost respect for him, based primarily around said character.

              I was asked if the players respected him. I answered that question. Does character make you a good hockey coach? It certainly helps, but the answer I gave has nothing to do with coaching acumen.

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              • Prez, you were around for a few years. What do you think? Do the players respect Cam Ellsworth?

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                • Originally posted by jerrynu26 View Post
                  How can they have "so much respect and admiration" that they don't put out the effort?????
                  Haven’t heard the answer to this yet.

                  Go 'Wick!

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                  • Originally posted by jerrynu26 View Post
                    Haven’t heard the answer to this yet.
                    Ask em. You’re all superfans. It’s d3. The guys are out and about in town all the time.

                    Ask a player if he respects Cam, and if he says yes, ask him why he doesn’t put out effort.

                    Report back with the answer because I would be interested as well. Maybe I’m way off and they don’t respect Cam. I doubt it, but I’d admit if I was wrong.

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                    • Originally posted by Bog Hockey View Post
                      The responsibility for motivating each and every player to play “full tilt” each and every game does not fall on the Captains. It must come from the top, and if Ellsworth is not able to motivate each player in that fashion, then there is most definitely a leadership void.
                      From a philosophical perspective, most experts agree that: while inspiration can come from an external source, motivation originates internally.

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                      • Originally posted by elbojpb View Post
                        From a philosophical perspective, most experts agree that: while inspiration can come from an external source, motivation originates internally.
                        Really, is that your contribution to a very real and growing issue? Troll elsewhere.

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                        • Are u guys okay? Do y'all need a hug or a drink or a vacation or something?
                          Oswego 22' and 23' Student Section Leader 2022-2024. If you heard a weird or offensive chant during an Oswego Hockey Broadcast during that time... odds are my friend Tim and I started it.

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                          • I am newer to Vermont and love D3 hockey. I have watched as many home Norwich games as possible during the three years I have been here. I would like to provide some insight financially.

                            I compared the financial statements of Hobart June 2022 and Norwich May 2022 and 2023. Financially it appears these two schools are similar. Similar revenue, similar endowments. Hobart lost $41M during the year ending June 2022 and Norwich lost $44M during year ending May 2022 and $12M the year ending May 2023.

                            The United States of course dealt with COVID but they are also dealing with GenZ. GenZ is a small generation. For sure a number of colleges will go under in the next 10 years. $12M is a big loss for a college the size of Norwich. I don’t think they can rely on large increases in enrollment or increasing tuition to deal with these losses. Schools across America will be vying for smaller numbers of people. Increased costs and smaller scholarships will likely not work well for Norwich as other schools, will maintain costs or increase scholarships to survive.

                            Just focusing on athletics alone, my personal belief is Norwich needs to look in the mirror and make tough decisions across all of their athletic programs. Football is a VERY expensive sport. I think based on Norwich’s football history, that eliminating football as a program is a good idea. As schools fight for fewer students, I don’t see Norwich winning that battle for D3 football players. Hockey, they can still complete, especially if monies were reallocated to the hockey programs. Time is not on their side for this decision. As pointed out in this thread Norwich is going for the increased cost model in 2024, and this will handcuff Ellsworth. Attracting hockey talent is not guaranteed based on one’s arena, Norwich can easily be the new Middlebury. Ultimately money talks. Hockey scholarships will be required, great locker rooms, top notch equipment provided for free or low cost and housing is required. This can be accomplished by axing the football program.

                            Sorry to Norwich football fans, but the college must determine what sports they can compete with and what sports they can afford. Sabine Field won’t go fallow, as the field can host rugby, soccer and lacrosse…..all currently competitive programs.

                            Yes donors will be upset, but the case must be made. Does Norwich want a .500 hockey club, where the highlight of the year is beating a lower ranked team once or twice, with Middlebury hockey attendance figures?

                            Keeping the football team won’t lead Norwich to athletic glory either. If they were to win 4 games a year, that would be considered a monumental success.
                            Last edited by AmericanCadet; 02-21-2024, 05:47 PM.

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                            • My comments on the USM game. It was Ellsworth’s fault. What I saw was an extreme defensive strategy…it was their Hobart philosophy. Careful spending numbers into the offensive zone, keep defense deep and clog the shooting lanes in the defensive zone. This was not appropriate against USM…. USM, of course, blanketed Kerner, and started to really look to break out turnovers on the wing. There guys were going HARD in the 2nd and 3rd down the wings…and it finally worked.

                              Norwich isn’t inept offensively, but going down can be a problem as they aren’t great either. While Ellsworth’s strategy almost worked, it was silly against a team like USM.

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                              • Originally posted by AmericanCadet View Post
                                Just focusing on athletics alone, my personal belief is Norwich needs to look in the mirror and make tough decisions across all of their athletic programs. Football is a VERY expensive sport. I think based on Norwich’s football history, that eliminating football as a program is a good idea. As schools fight for fewer students, I don’t see Norwich winning that battle for D3 football players. Hockey, they can still complete, especially if monies were reallocated to the hockey programs. Time is not on their side for this decision. As pointed out in this thread Norwich is going for the increased cost model in 2024, and this will handcuff Ellsworth. Attracting hockey talent is not guaranteed based on one’s arena, Norwich can easily be the new Middlebury. Ultimately money talks. Hockey scholarships will be required, great locker rooms, top notch equipment provided for free or low cost and housing is required. This can be accomplished by axing the football program.

                                Sorry to Norwich football fans, but the college must determine what sports they can compete with and what sports they can afford. Sabine Field won’t go fallow, as the field can host rugby, soccer and lacrosse…..all currently competitive programs.
                                Small D3 schools are actually adding football programs. At a fairly rapid level. Look at Hilbert. A tiny school.

                                Why, you ask? Enrollment. A football program wil bring in about 120 paying students (since D3 doesn't give away athletic scholarships) when all is said and done. Now, would some of those stundets have attended without football? We don't know that. But D3 schools have definitely taken this strategy.
                                Russell Jaslow
                                [Former] SUNYAC Correspondent
                                U.S. College Hockey Online

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