2020-2021 D3 Men's Schedules

[PSUChamps2001]

There's a reason Americans come across the border to Canada to get drugs too. I don't see only seven cases of COVID. Our numbers are much higher than that. Wish it were only seven.

You're right its not 7...PEI is at 12 right now.... :rollseyes:

Canada has a 1.2% contraction rate.
The USA has a 4.9% contraction rate.

So no, your numbers are not that high.

Around 0.03% of your population has died from COVID (if you believe the true numbers).
The USA has a 0.09% death rate.

I will not argue about the drugs. Wait are we talking the green leafy kind or? The pharmaceutical companies have us by the ...... here in the US. Beyond redonkulous. You wont get an argument with me there.

[PSUChamps2001]

PSUChamps... I see you have yet to respond/address the information I provided regarding the prevalence of post-infection myocarditis and lung scarring, along with the information that clearly and definitively proves that your conspiracy theory about hospitals and doctors making more money by attributing non-Covid deaths as Covid, is complete B.S. C'mon, I'd really like to hear you respond with specifics about what I've provided.

Seriously? Have your not read (or choose not to) the stories about how hospitals were getting extra money for putting people on ventilators?

Fact check: Medicare pays hospitals more money for COVID-19 patients (usatoday.com)

Oh wow what do you know.....

Florida Man Killed in Crash Listed as COVID-19 Death, Raising Doubts Over Health Data (newsweek.com)

I could care less what your "experts" say. Does it happen to "some"? Sure? The majority? Not even close. I know of at least a dozen people who have tested positive and are living a normal life post COVID. I know ZERO people who are on their last leg post COVID. I had a relative die of a heart attack but had COVID antibodies so they classified it COVID to get more $$. They're was no freaking "lung scarring" or freaking "post-infection myocarditis". That's not some article, thats real life.

Next, I'm genuinely sorry to hear about your health issues. And, I hope your surgery went as well as can be. However, I'm curious as to how you determined that "the number of 'critical' patients is not as bad as 'they' make it sound either." First, how do you know for sure which patients you saw in the ER were deemed "critical" by the staff? Did you speak to the doctors that were caring for each of those individuals? If so, then they committed numerous HIPPA violations. If you didn't speak to the doctors, did you diagnose the various patients' situations simply on appearances? How much they were sneezing or coughing? Seriously, without speaking to either the individual patients or their doctors or nurses, how can you possibly know how ill they were?

How did I determine it? Because my doctors told me they were shutting down all non-emergency surgeries at URMC due to the lack of help and increasing number of patients. My nurse in the post-op, as I stated, was just coming back from COVID herself. She normally worked the COVID floor at URMC. When it was brought up in conversation SHE told me first hand how most patients are coming in to the hospital and the slightest hint of breathing problems they admit them. Though they normally don't need anything more than a little O2. Do some still get sick very sick? Yes, they probably would with the common flu too. Again, this isn't out of some magazine, this is real life.

Next, my family has what I would characterize as fairly good health insurance through my wife's employer. We pay at least $5,000 out of pocket each year and have for the last 5-8 years. It might've gone up to $6,000 this year, not to mention we have to pay a certain percentage of surgery costs as well and, I have had three different joints completely replaced in the last 18 months. So, let me ask you this in regards to your thoughts about how our health care system compares to Canada's (and other western industrialized nations). Let's say that to pay for single-payer health care, anyone making $100,000 gross each year would have to pay an extra $2,000 in federal taxes. But, after paying that, you literally never spent another penny for any medical related expense. Doesn't that mean my family's net income would rise by $3,000-$4,000 ? And, since over 70% of our economy is consumer based, wouldn't the economy benefit significantly from millions of individuals and families having another $2,000-$5,000 to spend (or save, or pay down debt) each year? Seems as though it might.

I too have some very good (for the price) health insurance through my employer. I pay $220 bi-weekly and then $25 co-pays for Doctor visits, $5 and $10 for medications (normally generic), $75 for each hospital trip, $40 for any Ultrasound/X-Ray...and Ill continue to the next part...

Now, I realize your response will likely be another right-wing talking point about the supposedly long wait times for certain tests or procedures (as that's what you've done in other recent posts). Funny, I have numerous friends who are Canadian and when I ask them about that, their response is that it rarely takes as long as is rumored. Oftentimes, it's a matter of the population being much smaller and being far less dense. Which in turn, means individuals are often a fair distance from the needed facilities/doctors and it's harder for people to get to those places.

Ah Yes, lets bring the Right Wing, Left Wing, Trumpian, Riding with Biden crap into it....for 1, I disagree 100% with how people vote in the US nor to I agree with anything political because people can't think their own way these days. You're either one way or the other, and you have to be that way. US Politics is trash, period.

So now that we got that out of the way, you can talk to whom every you want. I have a son of a Canadian on my travel team. His father actually played NHL hockey for years. I also lived 15 minutes from the Canadian/NY border growing up. Talking with Canadians was a lot more than having "numerous" friends. Once again, I had a friend who needed a tonsillectomy. It was a 9 month wait. They paid cash, came down to CVPH in Plattsburgh and had it done within 30 days (this was about 10 years ago). They lived in LaChene Qb. My grandfather was the MRI technologist at CVPH since day when until he retired some 15 years ago. I think he would also know how many Canadians come down for simple procedures. But hey, I guess if I don't have one of your cool little links it can't be true because Big Brother Media didn't say so. Again, real life.

More real life. My son broke his wrist in a tournament in Montreal 2 years ago (PK Suban rink) when he took a slap shot off of the wrist (goalie-sometimes he forgets to catch the puck). We took him to Montreal General to get X-Rays....HOURS....the worse hospital Ive ever been to. And that includes just about every major hospital in NY, Reno Nevada, San Francisco, and Vermont. But sorry, nor expert article, just real life. Maybe it was just "my" experience sure, but seeing how they are rated a 2.5 out of 5 stars....

Also, you do realize that from 1946 thru 1961, the effective tax rate on the 1% and corporations was about 90%. That's right, 90%... And, there weren't nearly as many tax loopholes for the 1% and corporations to avoid paying their fair share. JFK reduced those rates to around 50% in 1961. But things really changed when Ronald Reagan (who I voted for in 1984) was elected in 1980 and enacted "trickle down" economics. For the last 40 years, the 1% and corporations had their effective tax rates reduced to less than 30%. With those loopholes created by the legislators whose campaigns were paid for by those same corporations and the 1%. And yes, some of those were/are Democrats. The bigger picture point being, if we even increased the effective tax rates for the 1% and corporations to 40% -- to include eliminating the tax loopholes and off-shore tax havens -- we'd have enough in the federal coffers to not only have free health care for all, we could also pay for two years of free college or trade school, forgive a certain amount of college debt, actually have the federal government pay the states the agreed upon amount for special education, help the states fund teacher pay so that they make a salary that is commiserate with the importance of their positions in our society, and probably increase the military budget... I recommend you watch the Netflix specials "Capital in the twenty-first century" and, "Saving Capitalism". You just might learn a thing or two...

I will not argue with ANYONE that the US HealthCare system needs a massive overhaul. Another first hand life example.....

My uncle is the founder of one of the first mobile ultrasound/x-ray/MRI businesses on the East Coast. He got his degree through the military and went to work at a local hospital in Rochester NY. After being a grunt and arguing with his boss, he picked up and built his own business. He began to challenge the hospital when he exposed the fact they were charging different prices of the SAME procedure based off of your insurance (one of the reasons he left). So he took his talents, bought his own ultrasound machine, loaded it up in his Windstar Minivan and traveled from Rochester, to Albany, to Watertown on a 7 day weekly basis. He now out of his office as his multi-million dollar business has become self sufficient and he doesnt even have to work anymore. He does it to pass the time. He works (here's that word again) FIRST HAND with insurance companies and how they pay/get charged for procedures. He charges a FRACTION of what hospitals charge.

Medications. (another REAL LIFE story). My mother is one of 7 kidney transplant recipients in my family. Again, we have decent health care (tho Wegmans - yes the grocery store - has better). After our last contract during the Obamacare her medication co-pays nearly doubled (thanks Obamacare). Wait times at our local hospitals ER went from walk-ins to HOURS because every Tom, Dick, and Harry was in there trying to get their high fix or the little scrap they got from falling out of their chair drunk. Yes, REAL LIFE. I would take convicts to the ER all the time with K2 overdoses and see the full ER rooms, when pre-Obamacare the ER's weren't ever that full.

Do I think any able to work, and working American citizen (sorry you have to be a legal citizen) should be given health care? Yes. Should all children under 17 be afforded health care? Absolutely. Should the crack dealer who just got shot in a drug bust be given free health care? Nope.

Combine that with the fact doctors/hospitals are getting sued for the dumbest things ever, little to no caps on pharmaceuticals, and crap like the price gouging based off of your insurance type all raises the cost through the roof. I am not going to raise my premiums up to help cover the slug leaching off of the system. And I am not talking about the disabled or those who physically CAN NOT hold a job, even if its McDonalds. Ive been working since day 1 of this pandemic. I've received ZERO aid from the government other than the one stimulus check everyone (even some of my convicts that are doing life) got. Yet I have a fellow co-worker whos wife is making nearly DOUBLE her regular pay when she WAS working thanks to the handouts, and we wonder why some people don't want to go back to work. SOME...I know SOME people the extra money doesnt cover, but for some it not only covers, but adds. Welcome to the USofA....

[Fishman'81]

PSUChamps... I see you have yet to respond/address the information I provided regarding the prevalence of post-infection myocarditis and lung scarring, along with the information that clearly and definitively proves that your conspiracy theory about hospitals and doctors making more money by attributing non-Covid deaths as Covid, is complete B.S. C'mon, I'd really like to hear you respond with specifics about what I've provided.

Next, I'm genuinely sorry to hear about your health issues. And, I hope your surgery went as well as can be. However, I'm curious as to how you determined that "the number of 'critical' patients is not as bad as 'they' make it sound either." First, how do you know for sure which patients you saw in the ER were deemed "critical" by the staff? Did you speak to the doctors that were caring for each of those individuals? If so, then they committed numerous HIPPA violations. If you didn't speak to the doctors, did you diagnose the various patients' situations simply on appearances? How much they were sneezing or coughing? Seriously, without speaking to either the individual patients or their doctors or nurses, how can you possibly know how ill they were?

Next, my family has what I would characterize as fairly good health insurance through my wife's employer. We pay at least $5,000 out of pocket each year and have for the last 5-8 years. It might've gone up to $6,000 this year, not to mention we have to pay a certain percentage of surgery costs as well and, I have had three different joints completely replaced in the last 18 months. So, let me ask you this in regards to your thoughts about how our health care system compares to Canada's (and other western industrialized nations). Let's say that to pay for single-payer health care, anyone making $100,000 gross each year would have to pay an extra $2,000 in federal taxes. But, after paying that, you literally never spent another penny for any medical related expense. Doesn't that mean my family's net income would rise by $3,000-$4,000 ? And, since over 70% of our economy is consumer based, wouldn't the economy benefit significantly from millions of individuals and families having another $2,000-$5,000 to spend (or save, or pay down debt) each year? Seems as though it might.

Now, I realize your response will likely be another right-wing talking point about the supposedly long wait times for certain tests or procedures (as that's what you've done in other recent posts). Funny, I have numerous friends who are Canadian and when I ask them about that, their response is that it rarely takes as long as is rumored. Oftentimes, it's a matter of the population being much smaller and being far less dense. Which in turn, means individuals are often a fair distance from the needed facilities/doctors and it's harder for people to get to those places.

Also, you do realize that from 1946 thru 1961, the effective tax rate on the 1% and corporations was about 90%. That's right, 90%... And, there weren't nearly as many tax loopholes for the 1% and corporations to avoid paying their fair share. JFK reduced those rates to around 50% in 1961. But things really changed when Ronald Reagan (who I voted for in 1984) was elected in 1980 and enacted "trickle down" economics. For the last 40 years, the 1% and corporations had their effective tax rates reduced to less than 30%. With those loopholes created by the legislators whose campaigns were paid for by those same corporations and the 1%. And yes, some of those were/are Democrats. The bigger picture point being, if we even increased the effective tax rates for the 1% and corporations to 40% -- to include eliminating the tax loopholes and off-shore tax havens -- we'd have enough in the federal coffers to not only have free health care for all, we could also pay for two years of free college or trade school, forgive a certain amount of college debt, actually have the federal government pay the states the agreed upon amount for special education, help the states fund teacher pay so that they make a salary that is commiserate with the importance of their positions in our society, and probably increase the military budget... I recommend you watch the Netflix specials "Capital in the twenty-first century" and, "Saving Capitalism". You just might learn a thing or two...

Thoughtful post, and a well-informed one.

I have a family member in Vancouver who is a pulmonologist, and my very own PCP is from Toronto. We all talk often.

People in Canada might have to wait for non-emergent care, but why does that somehow constitute a "death-panel" in the eyes of our own utterly ignorant Far Right?

In my own 30+ of years working in American health-care, I have seen many people die because they couldn't afford treatment.

That sh** shouldn't flush in "the greatest country in the world", but it still does, and look no farther than Mitch and his ilk as to why.

It's a truly disgusting state of affairs.

[Fishman'81]

What Wisconsin and its incompetent governor and do-nothing legislature are doing is not relevant to you claiming you are a medical professional when you actually work at Lowe's. Your claim of being a medical professional is met with even more skepticism when you readily admit that you aren't aware of more economically beneficial testing in South Utica. If you actually were a medical professional, it would be hard to believe you wouldn't know about it. Does the news not get that far up Steuben Road, Steve? Or is it Howard? Or is it Walter Mitty? It's OK to admit it. We already know.

Isn't 7th grade back in session in Green Bay yet..?

[net presence]

So using blanket solutions while generally effective do not address individual needs.

Precisely the point. No one knows how an individual will react to COVID, we can't predict individual needs/vulnerability. The elderly are at a significant risk, but not all. Immunocompromised are also at risk, but not all all and healthy people are at minimal risk but not all. In this situation a blanket solution is what we have until there is widespread use of a vaccine. It really comes down to how much you feel it's worth to protect the larger community. The argument is made that shutdowns can also ruin lives. That's where stimulus bills are supposed to help; allow most to ride this out until the COVID virus is contained. My concern is that allowing the virus to run through unchecked or only partially checked allows it to mutate. Mostly viruses will mutate but get no more deadly, some weaken, but what if this doesn't? No only that, other countries that do buy in to lockdowns and tough COVID protocols will want nothing to do with those that don't. How will this impact the global economy? Drag disruptions out longer? We have to hope that these vaccines work, which I think they will. Then it should only be months before we return to some kind of normalcy.

Very well stated! Far better than I just did (smiley face)

[net presence]

No one here is suggesting that it is not spreading. We challenge the rate of the spread. These articles of yours point out specific issues that people have with getting Covid-19. However what this does not point out the fact that everyone is different. Each person will have unique reactions based upon their own physiology. So using blanket solutions while generally effective do not address individual needs. I don't need to reference media (you know that group who in this country no longer publish the news but publish their own personal agendas) to back up what I am saying. Ok I'll take 98%, the last I heard was 96% but I can admit being wrong (you might want to try it sometime, it can be very liberating). Oh and I provided you backup to my assertions about Maryland's beds but you again chose to ignore that because as I said it does not fit your narrative.


Oh and again there is a flaw in your assertions about tax rates. Yes since Regan tax rates have gone down on Corporations and the 1%. However since these groups have been enjoying over 30 years of these lower rates. Simply raising the rates will only cause them to hide more money and move more of it overseas, not pay into the tax coffers. They did not get that wealthy by being dumb about their money.

First, the number of available hospital beds in a particular region is not the issue. It's far more about the reality that the significant increase in community spread is significantly affecting the availability of nurses, doctors, and other medical personnel to care for all of the various issues at a hospital.

Obviously, everyone individual person's physiology is unique. And, that determines how each person's body reacts to becoming infected. Please provide your specific suggestions on how mayors and governors should respond in a different way, not using "blanket solutions", that take into account how literally every individual's body reacts in it's own, unique way.

Actually, if you want your opinion to be considered seriously, you actually do need to provide supporting information. And, since this is a medical topic, that supporting info should/needs to be from legitimate science/medical sources. I'm sorry but, in the real world we don't agree with the assertion that the entire media industry is now no longer publishing any news, but rather is simply providing their personal opinions. Also, considering the topic at hand, there are plenty of articles/papers that are actually written by the doctors/scientists who did the research, and not by a "media person with some sort of bias". So yeah, I'm going to continue to insist that if you want to be taken seriously, you need to provide supporting evidence.

Believe me, I admit I'm wrong FAR more often in these forums than anyone who appears to be on the opposite sides of the issues I'm debating/arguing about. Finally, if you pass actual laws that prevent corporations and the 1% from moving that money to off-shore tax havens and, actually enforce those laws, those people/corporations wouldn't be able to get away with it now would they? The problem is, the people paying for the campaigns of the majority of our elected representatives are the ones benefitting from the laws (or lack thereof) that allow those same individuals/corporations to get away with not paying their fair share/required taxes. The point is, it's a very solvable problem.

[MELIN27]

So using blanket solutions while generally effective do not address individual needs.

Precisely the point. No one knows how an individual will react to COVID, we can't predict individual needs/vulnerability. The elderly are at a significant risk, but not all. Immunocompromised are also at risk, but not all all and healthy people are at minimal risk but not all. In this situation a blanket solution is what we have until there is widespread use of a vaccine. It really comes down to how much you feel it's worth to protect the larger community. The argument is made that shutdowns can also ruin lives. That's where stimulus bills are supposed to help; allow most to ride this out until the COVID virus is contained. My concern is that allowing the virus to run through unchecked or only partially checked allows it to mutate. Mostly viruses will mutate but get no more deadly, some weaken, but what if this doesn't? No only that, other countries that do buy in to lockdowns and tough COVID protocols will want nothing to do with those that don't. How will this impact the global economy? Drag disruptions out longer? We have to hope that these vaccines work, which I think they will. Then it should only be months before we return to some kind of normalcy.

[sacole13]

OK....it probably isn't worth the time it will take to do this but...please provide links to three or more articles written by legitimate journalists that proves Fauci, Osterholm, and others are being paid to provide a certain slant to their opinions. If you can't, then please refrain from making such ridiculous statements. You olnly make yourself look bad when you make statements that are that far out in left field.

Next, the survival rate is actually above 98% but, hey, who's counting. My point with providing all of the links/information I did in my previous posts is to explain that, not only is there definitive proof that there is legitimate spread occurring from sport specific activities, as well as the fact that this isn't just about deaths or dying... There are other, proven and significantly negative health issues from being infected. Both in symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals. Issues that can and often will have life long effects on those individuals.

I'd appreciate it if you would respond with specifics to the information I provided. Of course, that would mean you'd have to actually read what I provided. Which in turn would mean you'd have to be open to the possibility that you might actually learn something that goes against your current worldview, thus forcing you to consider the possibility your current beliefs aren't accurate.

No one here is suggesting that it is not spreading. We challenge the rate of the spread. These articles of yours point out specific issues that people have with getting Covid-19. However what this does not point out the fact that everyone is different. Each person will have unique reactions based upon their own physiology. So using blanket solutions while generally effective do not address individual needs. I don't need to reference media (you know that group who in this country no longer publish the news but publish their own personal agendas) to back up what I am saying. Ok I'll take 98%, the last I heard was 96% but I can admit being wrong (you might want to try it sometime, it can be very liberating). Oh and I provided you backup to my assertions about Maryland's beds but you again chose to ignore that because as I said it does not fit your narrative.


Oh and again there is a flaw in your assertions about tax rates. Yes since Regan tax rates have gone down on Corporations and the 1%. However since these groups have been enjoying over 30 years of these lower rates. Simply raising the rates will only cause them to hide more money and move more of it overseas, not pay into the tax coffers. They did not get that wealthy by being dumb about their money.

[net presence]

If you go to a place and they do anything else (blood pressure, weight, height, ect) they consider it a "visit" and charge accordingly. I dont know why or how they are charging there. They will deny you (or push you to the back of the list) for just a "peace of mind". Utica Jr Comets bought their own, paid $50 and met at our rink last week for testing just to make it easier. If you give them one small inclination of a possible symptom (achy body - hell im old we always ache now) or a sore throat, bam automatic coverage.

We have vending companies and copy repair guys who are required to get tested before entering nursing homes, free of charge. So if your company requires it, its free. Like I said why or how they are charging is beyond me. URMC (Rochester) charges my insurance $320 each test (8 of them since July)

I will say I just had surgery yesterday and the ER is full. Strong is starting to cancel elective surgery to save bed space. However, the number of "critical" patients is not as bad as they make it sound either. The slightest hint of poor breathing and they admit you. That also came directly from my post op nurse who just came back to covid and normally works up there on the covid unit. Hospital and states are getting extra $$ for their numbers (deaths, hospitalization, and testing).

If they gave you the exact numbers it wouldn't fit their narrative. How could they control you and make you fear the "flu"?

PSUChamps... I see you have yet to respond/address the information I provided regarding the prevalence of post-infection myocarditis and lung scarring, along with the information that clearly and definitively proves that your conspiracy theory about hospitals and doctors making more money by attributing non-Covid deaths as Covid, is complete B.S. C'mon, I'd really like to hear you respond with specifics about what I've provided.

Next, I'm genuinely sorry to hear about your health issues. And, I hope your surgery went as well as can be. However, I'm curious as to how you determined that "the number of 'critical' patients is not as bad as 'they' make it sound either." First, how do you know for sure which patients you saw in the ER were deemed "critical" by the staff? Did you speak to the doctors that were caring for each of those individuals? If so, then they committed numerous HIPPA violations. If you didn't speak to the doctors, did you diagnose the various patients' situations simply on appearances? How much they were sneezing or coughing? Seriously, without speaking to either the individual patients or their doctors or nurses, how can you possibly know how ill they were?

Next, my family has what I would characterize as fairly good health insurance through my wife's employer. We pay at least $5,000 out of pocket each year and have for the last 5-8 years. It might've gone up to $6,000 this year, not to mention we have to pay a certain percentage of surgery costs as well and, I have had three different joints completely replaced in the last 18 months. So, let me ask you this in regards to your thoughts about how our health care system compares to Canada's (and other western industrialized nations). Let's say that to pay for single-payer health care, anyone making $100,000 gross each year would have to pay an extra $2,000 in federal taxes. But, after paying that, you literally never spent another penny for any medical related expense. Doesn't that mean my family's net income would rise by $3,000-$4,000 ? And, since over 70% of our economy is consumer based, wouldn't the economy benefit significantly from millions of individuals and families having another $2,000-$5,000 to spend (or save, or pay down debt) each year? Seems as though it might.

Now, I realize your response will likely be another right-wing talking point about the supposedly long wait times for certain tests or procedures (as that's what you've done in other recent posts). Funny, I have numerous friends who are Canadian and when I ask them about that, their response is that it rarely takes as long as is rumored. Oftentimes, it's a matter of the population being much smaller and being far less dense. Which in turn, means individuals are often a fair distance from the needed facilities/doctors and it's harder for people to get to those places.

Also, you do realize that from 1946 thru 1961, the effective tax rate on the 1% and corporations was about 90%. That's right, 90%... And, there weren't nearly as many tax loopholes for the 1% and corporations to avoid paying their fair share. JFK reduced those rates to around 50% in 1961. But things really changed when Ronald Reagan (who I voted for in 1984) was elected in 1980 and enacted "trickle down" economics. For the last 40 years, the 1% and corporations had their effective tax rates reduced to less than 30%. With those loopholes created by the legislators whose campaigns were paid for by those same corporations and the 1%. And yes, some of those were/are Democrats. The bigger picture point being, if we even increased the effective tax rates for the 1% and corporations to 40% -- to include eliminating the tax loopholes and off-shore tax havens -- we'd have enough in the federal coffers to not only have free health care for all, we could also pay for two years of free college or trade school, forgive a certain amount of college debt, actually have the federal government pay the states the agreed upon amount for special education, help the states fund teacher pay so that they make a salary that is commiserate with the importance of their positions in our society, and probably increase the military budget... I recommend you watch the Netflix specials "Capital in the twenty-first century" and, "Saving Capitalism". You just might learn a thing or two...

[net presence]

Here is the simplest number, written everywhere and nowhere, 96% SURVIVAL RATE!!! These so called experts are being PAID to say what they say. They use sketchy data to back up their claims. Same as the CLIMATE PANICKERS. Using the press to back up your arguments does not make you right.


Oh and here is my proof about the numbers of beds being used in Maryland, from the State Government. https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/#Guidance

So not inaccurate as you claim, but since those number don't fit your narrative I assume we will dispose of them.

OK....it probably isn't worth the time it will take to do this but...please provide links to three or more articles written by legitimate journalists that proves Fauci, Osterholm, and others are being paid to provide a certain slant to their opinions. If you can't, then please refrain from making such ridiculous statements. You olnly make yourself look bad when you make statements that are that far out in left field.

Next, the survival rate is actually above 98% but, hey, who's counting. My point with providing all of the links/information I did in my previous posts is to explain that, not only is there definitive proof that there is legitimate spread occurring from sport specific activities, as well as the fact that this isn't just about deaths or dying... There are other, proven and significantly negative health issues from being infected. Both in symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals. Issues that can and often will have life long effects on those individuals.

I'd appreciate it if you would respond with specifics to the information I provided. Of course, that would mean you'd have to actually read what I provided. Which in turn would mean you'd have to be open to the possibility that you might actually learn something that goes against your current worldview, thus forcing you to consider the possibility your current beliefs aren't accurate.

[MELIN27]

There's a reason Americans come across the border to Canada to get drugs too. I don't see only seven cases of COVID. Our numbers are much higher than that. Wish it were only seven.

[PSUChamps2001]

There is a reason Canadians come to the US to have simple surgeries. 9 months waiting for a tonsillectomy. I am in stage 5 renal failure and yes there are a lot of issues with our health care/insurance, believe me. When hospitals charge different prices for the same procedure based off of your type of insurance for one.

And yes hockeyfan77 that's exactly my point. They are freaking out over 7 cases. I've been to a few dozen different rinks on the East Coast since all this happened. Yes it sucks parents can't go in. Yes it sucks no locker rooms. Yes it sucks no hanging out after a game. Yes it sucks going in one door and out the other. Yes it sucks taking a temperature every time you step into the building. Yes it sucks filling out a safety form every day. That is how we've been doing it and how a lot of other rinks are not and probably why we've had zero traced to our rink.

For example, last month we were in Hershey for a tournament. Couldn't use a locker room but instead they had a 8x12 enclosed tent for goalies, except whole teams crammed in and got changed time and time again. Smart right? THAT will cause a spread. Not taking a wrist shot or lining up next to someone.

My oldest is actually on quarantine right now. She's doing her part and wearing her N95 when out of her room and wipes everything down she touches. Am I worried or stressed? Nope, and I do have pre existing conditions...still don't care. I know lots of people who have been sick, got better and moved on. Fear mongering over a flu strained just doesn't fly with me or a lot of people. I will do my part, wear my useless mask, wash my hands, stay apart as much as you...but putting a hold on life is getting out of hand.

And now let's mandate a vaccine that we know nothing about. Great idea.

[MELIN27]

PSU Champs, I was not writing to compare/slam medical systems but to say that the world is in a second wave and regardless of the medical setup, the COVID numbers are there. However, if you want to get into it, the system you have leaves a lot to be desired. I have a form of cancer that so far is not needing treatment. When it was discovered I received nothing but the best care, all tests (including expensive genetic testing), specialist assignment etc. paid for by our medical system. I am part of a global forum for this and the Americans on it experience very different treatment depending on what they can afford and what their insurance companies will allow. Some, from what I have read, have nowhere near the level of care and thoroughness I have received and likely will never be able to because a "pre-existing condition." Going cap-in-hand pleading to a private company for tests that determine the best course of treatment is terrible. Hate to think of the uninsured who are left high and dry.

[altazo]

Ok......who should get the vaccine first................and begin..............

Easy, anyone associated with D3 hockey. Duh...

[bakdraft21]

Ok......who should get the vaccine first................and begin..............