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  • NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

    http://www.nehockeyconference.com/wo.../oct15nehc.php

    Elmira men and women to NEHC and William Smith Women joining Hobart men in same conference.
    Last edited by PrezdeJohnson09; 10-15-2019, 02:11 PM.
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    Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

    Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    https://www.nehockeyconference.com/w.../oct15nehc.php

    Elmira men and women to NEHC and William Smith Women joining Hobart men in same conference.
    Please forgive me. But what is the advantage for Elmira joining this hockey conference? The old one was better for travel and yet still a good league -- at least I thought. Look forward to input, thanking you in advance for the insight.

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      Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

      I like this move.
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        Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

        Originally posted by wildcatcard View Post
        Please forgive me. But what is the advantage for Elmira joining this hockey conference? The old one was better for travel and yet still a good league -- at least I thought. Look forward to input, thanking you in advance for the insight.
        https://athletics.elmira.edu/news/20...n-2021-22.aspx

        If you read the release on the Elmira athletics website, the AD basically comes right and says that they feel its a recruiting advantage to join the NEHC given where they are getting kids on their roster from and alumni base in her quote.

        Additionally, this is my own thought that goes unsaid in the release, I think the conference/AQ stability, which was a big reason for Hobart making the switch two years ago is important too. Elmira played in a non auto-bid conference for 20 years. That's a really tough sell that if you don't win your league, you don't necessarily make the NCAA Tournament and it's an even tougher sell in the odd years that it did happen that if you do end up winning your league and don't get in.

        Although they don't have enough teams currently, what's to stop the PA schools to branch off at some point and form the MAC hockey conference and then Elmira/Utica/Nazareth etc. are left out in the cold again and its rinse, recycle and repeat.
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          Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

          If you read the release on the Elmira athletics website, the AD basically comes right and says that they feel its a recruiting advantage to join the NEHC given where they are getting kids on their roster from and alumni base in her quote.

          Additionally, this is my own thought that goes unsaid in the release, I think the conference/AQ stability, which was a big reason for Hobart making the switch two years ago is important too. Elmira played in a non auto-bid conference for 20 years. That's a really tough sell that if you don't win your league, you don't necessarily make the NCAA Tournament and it's an even tougher sell in the odd years that it did happen that if you do end up winning your league and don't get in.

          Although they don't have enough teams currently, what's to stop the PA schools to branch off at some point and form the MAC hockey conference and then Elmira/Utica/Nazareth etc. are left out in the cold again and its rinse, recycle and repeat.
          Makes sense, I wonder how Elmira joining will affect Albertus Magnus joining, however. Albertus Magnus is already apparently going to be a scheduling partner for 2020-2021, which I assumed was going to be followed by full membership eventually. Albertus Magnus is GNAC member with Norwich and J&W for other sports already. Story [ here ]. If they both join that would bring the NEHC to 11 members. Anna Maria, also a GNAC member, joining would bring them to 12.
          Last edited by Buckeye22; 10-15-2019, 05:32 PM.
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            Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

            Prez Utica has a very strong program and would appear to benefit from joining the NEHC. Any word if they are interested?
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              Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

              Originally posted by Buckeye22 View Post
              Makes sense, I wonder how Elmira joining will affect Albertus Magnus joining, however. Albertus Magnus is already apparently going to be a scheduling partner for 2020-2021, which I assumed was going to be followed by full membership eventually. Albertus Magnus is GNAC member with Norwich and J&W for other sports already. Story [ here ]. If they both join that would bring the NEHC to 11 members. Anna Maria, also a GNAC member, joining would bring them to 12.
              This looks like a move to fill the scheduling hole created by the departure of Suffolk to the CCC in 2020. Since Elmira comes in in 2021, they needed to have somebody to be a travel partner for J&W in 2020. I would expect the deck will be shuffled again in 2021, since it would seem to make sense for Elmira and Hobart to be travel partners. Could they expand to 12 by adding both Big Al and Anna Maria? It's possible, but the two new programs might fit better elsewhere.
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                Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

                Originally posted by NUProf View Post
                Could they expand to 12 by adding both Big Al and Anna Maria? It's possible, but the two new programs might fit better elsewhere.
                Where? I can't see the CCC or MASCAC wanting them. Having them join the NEHC seems like the only logical option. With the GNAC connections, not to mention the geographical proximity to the NEHC's other schools, I have to imagine Albertus Magnus and Anna Maria were hoping for NEHC membership when they started their programs.
                Last edited by Buckeye22; 10-16-2019, 09:14 AM.
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                  Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

                  Originally posted by NUProf View Post
                  This looks like a move to fill the scheduling hole created by the departure of Suffolk to the CCC in 2020. Since Elmira comes in in 2021, they needed to have somebody to be a travel partner for J&W in 2020. I would expect the deck will be shuffled again in 2021, since it would seem to make sense for Elmira and Hobart to be travel partners. Could they expand to 12 by adding both Big Al and Anna Maria? It's possible, but the two new programs might fit better elsewhere.
                  As far as numbers go, don't assume that every institution currently in the NEHC will still be in it by the time Elmira and William Smith join.

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                    Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

                    Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
                    https://athletics.elmira.edu/news/20...n-2021-22.aspx

                    If you read the release on the Elmira athletics website, the AD basically comes right and says that they feel its a recruiting advantage to join the NEHC given where they are getting kids on their roster from and alumni base in her quote.

                    Additionally, this is my own thought that goes unsaid in the release, I think the conference/AQ stability, which was a big reason for Hobart making the switch two years ago is important too. Elmira played in a non auto-bid conference for 20 years. That's a really tough sell that if you don't win your league, you don't necessarily make the NCAA Tournament and it's an even tougher sell in the odd years that it did happen that if you do end up winning your league and don't get in.

                    Although they don't have enough teams currently, what's to stop the PA schools to branch off at some point and form the MAC hockey conference and then Elmira/Utica/Nazareth etc. are left out in the cold again and its rinse, recycle and repeat.
                    I can read....

                    It sounds like its all about the AQ. Which I was unaware of and didn't see it in the AD taking points.

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                      Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

                      Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
                      Although they don't have enough teams currently, what's to stop the PA schools to branch off at some point and form the MAC hockey conference and then Elmira/Utica/Nazareth etc. are left out in the cold again and its rinse, recycle and repeat.
                      It's all RIT's fault.

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                      • #12
                        Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

                        Originally posted by Ed Trefzger View Post
                        It's all RIT's fault.
                        Always has been...always will be.
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                        GO LAKERS!!!
                        GO CADETS!!! R.I.P. Charlie Crosby '63
                        "Reisweber trying to circle in front of the net, he does, HE SCORES! that's it! Oswego State has done it!! The Lakers take home the first NCAA title of any kind in school history. It's celebration time in Upstate New York!"
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                        • #13
                          Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

                          Originally posted by wildcatcard View Post
                          I can read....

                          It sounds like its all about the AQ. Which I was unaware of and didn't see it in the AD taking points.
                          No doubt. And that silly BS construct is wreaking needless havoc yet again.

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                            Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
                            No doubt. And that silly BS construct is wreaking needless havoc yet again.
                            The AQ is great.
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                              Re: NEHC expands to include Elmira and William Smith in 2021-22

                              Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
                              No doubt. And that silly BS construct is wreaking needless havoc yet again.
                              Originally posted by smbenny View Post
                              The AQ is great.
                              Grabs the popcorn...
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