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  • NU Pastime
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    Originally posted by SNC SID View Post
    You're darn right it's better to get the "pittance." The reason for the large growth in D2 and D3 in the last 25 years is the defections from NAIA, where schools had to - and as I understand still - pay for all of their post-season travel. The post-season rewards from the NCAA were/are infinitely better than the alternative. I've heard all kinds of interesting stories about St. Norbert scraping up enough money to send the basketball team to Kansas City for the NAIA Tournament back in the 1960s. I think they went by train at least once.
    If only American trains didn't take as long to get places as driving, train is the best way to travel.

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  • SNC SID
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    Re: NCAA Revenue...

    Originally posted by NUProf View Post
    Part of the reason that the NCAA bends over backwards to the Division I teams is the threat that was made in the 1980s by the CFA to pull football Division I football out of the NCAA. At that time the NCAA had complete control over TV revenues and teams were limited in what they could do with their TV rights. The CFA sued and the NCAA caved. As part of all this, the NCAA's attention to the other divisions was reduced. Rightly or wrongly, the DII and DIII schools have decided not to rock the boat, feeling that it is better to get the pittance that DI is willing to give up than go on their own.
    You're darn right it's better to get the "pittance." The reason for the large growth in D2 and D3 in the last 25 years is the defections from NAIA, where schools had to - and as I understand still - pay for all of their post-season travel. The post-season rewards from the NCAA were/are infinitely better than the alternative. I've heard all kinds of interesting stories about St. Norbert scraping up enough money to send the basketball team to Kansas City for the NAIA Tournament back in the 1960s. I think they went by train at least once.

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  • Russell Jaslow
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    Re: NCAA Revenue...

    Originally posted by jerrynu26 View Post
    Yes, but if the big football schools pulled out (some of whom have big bball programs), what would happen to the revenue streams? I'm frankly surprised that bball hasn't seriously considered leaving. It isn't like they really follow NCAA rules anyway....
    The NCAA is ultimately run by the Presidents of the colleges. If they are happy, the NCAA is safe. If they, or enough D1 "theys," are unhappy, then the NCAA is in trouble.

    But someone has to run the sport(s). And the college presidents will always be the ultimate bosses of it. It's a matter of what organization they want to run it.

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  • NUProf
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    Re: NCAA Revenue...

    Originally posted by jerrynu26 View Post
    Yes, but if the big football schools pulled out (some of whom have big bball programs), what would happen to the revenue streams? I'm frankly surprised that bball hasn't seriously considered leaving. It isn't like they really follow NCAA rules anyway....
    Part of the reason that the NCAA bends over backwards to the Division I teams is the threat that was made in the 1980s by the CFA to pull football Division I football out of the NCAA. At that time the NCAA had complete control over TV revenues and teams were limited in what they could do with their TV rights. The CFA sued and the NCAA caved. As part of all this, the NCAA's attention to the other divisions was reduced. Rightly or wrongly, the DII and DIII schools have decided not to rock the boat, feeling that it is better to get the pittance that DI is willing to give up than go on their own.

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  • jerrynu26
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    Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    In some ways, that happens in football.

    The playoff series is independently run. The NCAA doesn't get any of that money other than a "licensing" fee which is but a tiny percentage of the total amount the playoff series makes. If the NCAA owned that, like they do March Madness, they wouldn't know what to do with all the money...
    Yes, but if the big football schools pulled out (some of whom have big bball programs), what would happen to the revenue streams? I'm frankly surprised that bball hasn't seriously considered leaving. It isn't like they really follow NCAA rules anyway....

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  • Russell Jaslow
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    Re: NCAA Revenue...

    Originally posted by jerrynu26 View Post
    And the NCAA membership is worried that the top football and/or basketball programs could say "We earn the money, what do we really need the NCAA for?", eliminating the pot of $s.
    In some ways, that happens in football.

    The playoff series is independently run. The NCAA doesn't get any of that money other than a "licensing" fee which is but a tiny percentage of the total amount the playoff series makes. If the NCAA owned that, like they do March Madness, they wouldn't know what to do with all the money...

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  • Russell Jaslow
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    Re: NCAA Revenue...

    Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Sometimes one has to demand one's due, instead of sitting on one's hands and meekly accepting a bad situation.
    Now this, people have said.

    We've advocated asking for more money. However, we've been beaten down so much, we do tend to sit around on our hands meekly accepting this crap.

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  • jerrynu26
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    Originally posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
    The are 443 D3 members. There are 659 D1 and D2 members (combined). There aren’t enough votes there to force a change.
    And the NCAA membership is worried that the top football and/or basketball programs could say "We earn the money, what do we really need the NCAA for?", eliminating the pot of $s.

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  • Russell Jaslow
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    Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Certainly... But there a few D-3 apologists who say that there's no way to ask for a buck or two more in order to fix our sport...

    That, I don't buy.
    No one has ever said this. No one!!!!!

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  • Fishman'81
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    Re: NCAA Revenue...

    Do you truly think that D-1 cares enough to fight any improvements that D-3 hockey might ask for..?

    i don't. We're talking complete chump-change, compared to what what D-1 football/hoops have falling out of their pockets.

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  • GB Puck Fan
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    The are 443 D3 members. There are 659 D1 and D2 members (combined). There aren’t enough votes there to force a change.

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  • Fishman'81
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    Originally posted by NUProf View Post
    D3 (for all championships) get 3% of the NCAA budget. The DI schools choose to share that amount of revenue, and they have talked about reducing the percentage due to their increased revenue. If they had a choice they would give less than what they do.
    Sometimes one has to demand one's due, instead of sitting on one's hands and meekly accepting a bad situation.

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  • NUProf
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    Re: NCAA Revenue...

    Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Thanks for posting this.

    Now, when I hear about how the supposedly-immutable D-3 bylaws (eg., the 500-mile BS) exist because it's just too darn expensive for the NCAA to toss a few nickels at D-3 hockey, I'll be able to counter with a factual link.

    GD, does anyone *in his right mind* think that D-3 won't get whatever support it needs from the NCAA, as long as it makes the process demonstrably more equitable, within broad limits..?

    So, to my point: select the field fairly, seed it fairly, and site it fairly... Let the boys catch a plane if necessary: they'll be fine.

    Who in God's name will complain, aside from the very few who are married to the current (ridiculous) rules?
    D3 (for all championships) get 3% of the NCAA budget. The DI schools choose to share that amount of revenue, and they have talked about reducing the percentage due to their increased revenue. If they had a choice they would give less than what they do.

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  • KnightsOfTheRound
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    It’s not that the NCAA doesn’t have money. It’s that they’re not going to invest it in sports that don’t make them more money. You don’t get rich making bad investments!

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  • Fishman'81
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    Originally posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
    It’s not the D3 people limiting the D3 budget...
    Certainly... But there a few D-3 apologists who say that there's no way to ask for a buck or two more in order to fix our sport...

    That, I don't buy.

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