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  • #46
    Re: Bill Beaney's successor

    Originally posted by d3follower View Post
    You might as well kill yourself now if you are that scared of life. . .
    Fear and pragmatism are very different things, and the pragmatic option has just as much to offer as the "scary" one in this case.
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    Women's (THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR, A Couple Years Back, '08, '07)
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    • #47
      Re: Bill Beaney's successor

      Originally posted by joecct View Post
      Tenure.
      Coaches are not tenured at NESCAC schools although some are granted quasi-faculty status as professors of PE and granted long-term contracts (like 5 years) but do not have lifetime guarantees of employment.

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      • #48
        Re: Bill Beaney's successor

        Originally posted by d3follower View Post
        Coaches are not tenured at NESCAC schools although some are granted quasi-faculty status as professors of PE and granted long-term contracts (like 5 years) but do not have lifetime guarantees of employment.
        Requiring Word (or compatible program), this report from Hamilton provides significant insight into NESCAC Staffing and Resources.

        Excerpt:

        Section D. Coach and Staff Numbers and Salary Expenditures

        Similar to a number of peer institutions, Hamilton coaches rarely work as a single-sport coach with one team—almost all actually coach or assist another team or serve as a physical education instructor. Of note, Hamilton coaches serve as a head coach/assistant coach or head coach/phys ed instructor a higher percentage of the time than their peers.

        Hamilton is the only school in which all coaches have faculty status with rank, but one must remember that Hamilton does have a physical education requirement, full-time coaches are required to teach, and physical education enrollment as a percentage of the student body is the highest among the 11 schools (61% to the median of 31%)—all of which are not the case at every school. While the report did not find a direct correlation between faculty status and coaching salaries, it did find that years of service to an institution were the strongest determinant of an individual coach’s salary. Therefore, it should be of no surprise that because Hamilton coaches tend to have fewer years of service (11 years versus the median of 15 years), our median salary is lower than the peer group median salary ($46,499 versus $51,000). But Hamilton is at the peer median for both minimum salary and maximum salary. A final note- the report did not find a particular sport for which a head coach automatically earns the highest salary; instead, a variety of sports can boast the highest paid coach at the schools.

        Hamilton’s headcount for its athletics staff is smaller than that of the peer institutions. While the size of the full-time coaching staff is about average, we employ a much smaller number of part-time coaches and a much greater number of grad assistants/interns/volunteers. Also, Hamilton’s full-time and part-time athletics staff headcount is less than the median. In sum, the total athletics headcount at Hamilton is 55, while the median total headcount is 61, with a low of 46 and a high of 79.

        The report breaks down full-time equivalencies of all coaching and staffing positions. The only figure of note in which Hamilton deviates from the mean is total teaching FTE; the following are relatively close to the median: total coaching FTE, total staff FTE, total FTE.

        In terms of salary and benefit expenditures, Hamilton ranks below the median for every indicator- total coach salary, total coach benefits, total staff salary, total staff benefits, total salary expenditures, total benefit expenditures. Hamilton’s figures total staff salary and total staff benefits are particularly low in comparison to the other 10 schools, while total coach salary is only slightly less than the median. Finally, Hamilton’s salary expenditures for the entire athletic enterprise rank second to last: $1,294,400 versus the median of $1,625,500.
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        • #49
          Re: Bill Beaney's successor

          Originally posted by d3follower View Post
          Coaches are not tenured at NESCAC schools although some are granted quasi-faculty status as professors of PE and granted long-term contracts (like 5 years) but do not have lifetime guarantees of employment.
          Really? Do some more checking.
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          • #50
            Re: Bill Beaney's successor

            Originally posted by joecct View Post
            Really? Do some more checking.
            How would you know anything about it?
            Larry Normandin
            SUNY Cobleskill '83-SUNY Plattsburgh '00

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            • #51
              Originally posted by norm1909 View Post
              And what does any of this have to do with tenured status, which involves life-time job security? Hamilton coaches may get to call themselves "prof" but Hamilton's rules restruct them to short term appointments. .

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              • #52
                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                Really? Do some more checking.
                I suppose that you think Assist Prof Bill Kangas has tenure . . .

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by d3follower View Post
                  I suppose that you think Assist Prof Bill Kangas has tenure . . .
                  Dude, his son is Kangas's Assistant Coach, I think he might have a little more insight into NESCAC tenure procedures than you...
                  Plattsburgh CARDINALS
                  SUNYAC Champ x24: 78, 79, 82, 83, 85, 87, 88, 90, 92, 93, 97, 98, 99, 00, 01, 02, 04, 08, 09, 11, 12, 15, 17, 23
                  ECACW Champ x11: 81, 82, 87, 92, 06, 07, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17
                  NEWHL Champ x5: 18, 19, 20, 22, 23
                  NCAA DIII Champ x10-ish: 87, 92, 01, 07, 08, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19
                  NCAA DIII Runner-up x4-ish: 86, 90, 06, 08
                  NCAA DII Runner-up x2: 81, 82

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by d3follower View Post
                    I suppose that you think Assist Prof Bill Kangas has tenure . . .
                    Also, for the vast majority of schools, "Assistant Professor" is, by definition, a tenure-track position. It would be different if you said "Adjunct Professor". And most institutions give an Assistant Professor 6-8 years to earn tenure and become an "Associate Professor" or THEY FIRE THEM. Kangas has been around for 25 years...
                    Last edited by CARDS_rule_the_Burgh; 03-10-2015, 12:52 PM.
                    Plattsburgh CARDINALS
                    SUNYAC Champ x24: 78, 79, 82, 83, 85, 87, 88, 90, 92, 93, 97, 98, 99, 00, 01, 02, 04, 08, 09, 11, 12, 15, 17, 23
                    ECACW Champ x11: 81, 82, 87, 92, 06, 07, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17
                    NEWHL Champ x5: 18, 19, 20, 22, 23
                    NCAA DIII Champ x10-ish: 87, 92, 01, 07, 08, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19
                    NCAA DIII Runner-up x4-ish: 86, 90, 06, 08
                    NCAA DII Runner-up x2: 81, 82

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                    • #55
                      Re: Bill Beaney's successor

                      So if Mandigo doesn't put in for the job, what alums of the men's program are now coaching in college somewhere that might want the job?

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                      • #56
                        Re: Bill Beaney's successor

                        Originally posted by shelfit View Post
                        So if Mandigo doesn't put in for the job, what alums of the men's program are now coaching in college somewhere that might want the job?
                        Current St Mikes coach Damian DiGiulian was an asst coach to Beaney during two very good Midd years and longtime UVM ***'t coach. He played at Hamilton.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Bill Beaney's successor

                          Originally posted by rufus22 View Post
                          ***'t coach.
                          Guess this site doesn't like non-head coaches!
                          Steve
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                          • #58
                            Re: Bill Beaney's successor

                            Originally posted by spwood View Post
                            Guess this site doesn't like non-head coaches!
                            Guess not! I didn't see that coming.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Bill Beaney's successor

                              Originally posted by spwood View Post
                              Guess this site doesn't like non-head coaches!
                              Beaney will still be Middlebury's head t coach.
                              Larry Normandin
                              SUNY Cobleskill '83-SUNY Plattsburgh '00

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                              • #60
                                Re: Bill Beaney's successor

                                Originally posted by CARDS_rule_the_Burgh View Post
                                Also, for the vast majority of schools, "Assistant Professor" is, by definition, a tenure-track position. It would be different if you said "Adjunct Professor". And most institutions give an Assistant Professor 6-8 years to earn tenure and become an "Associate Professor" or THEY FIRE THEM. Kangas has been around for 25 years...
                                Full - Associate - Assistant
                                Larry Normandin
                                SUNY Cobleskill '83-SUNY Plattsburgh '00

                                Temper is one thing you can't get rid of by losing it.

                                God gave everyone patience-The wise use it.

                                Trust is like paper - Once crumbled it can never again be perfect.

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                                Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand!

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