D3 All-Americans Watch

[NorthernLite]

Re: D3 All-Americans Watch

For the record, "Thug" hockey has it's downfall in Division III. UMB takes almost 15 PIMs a game, and it's hurts them in the past.

Well thanks for helping this western biased DIII fan decide who to cheer for tomorrow.
I'm liking the "Thugs". ...... Buco beats Beavers.

[ECACeastFAN]

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Hey Prez, make sure to document the moment when you use that "influence" to make Pelletier decline the award.

Buco plays thug hockey. We can argue whether it's right or wrong, but coaches aren't going to vote for that. It's too bad because he is extremely talented, but, IMO, his "demeanor" holds him back.

For the record, "Thug" hockey has it's downfall in Division III. UMB takes almost 15 PIMs a game, and it's hurts them in the past.

[KRBFLINT03]

You don't have to say anything. This is where we go to gripe about bad decisions made by authority in Div III hockey. That said, you do have the influence in Northfield to have Pelletier decline the award and give it to Buco...

Hey Prez, make sure to document the moment when you use that "influence" to make Pelletier decline the award.

Buco plays thug hockey. We can argue whether it's right or wrong, but coaches aren't going to vote for that. It's too bad because he is extremely talented, but, IMO, his "demeanor" holds him back.

[ECACeastFAN]

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You don't have to say anything. This is where we go to gripe about bad decisions made by authority in Div III hockey. That said, you do have the influence in Northfield to have Pelletier decline the award and give it to Buco...

I wouldn't decline the award if I were the backup goalie..

[spwood]

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For the record, I was surprised Buco didn't win.

However, the 10 coaches voted and those were the results. I don't know what more to say.

You don't have to say anything. This is where we go to gripe about bad decisions made by authority in Div III hockey. That said, you do have the influence in Northfield to have Pelletier decline the award and give it to Buco...

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Just one thing to point out here....

In games vs Top 5 teams in the Conference:
Buco: 8GP 3-13-16
Pelletier: 7GP 4-4-8

Points per games are nice, but IMHO it should depend on who you get them against more...

For the record, I was surprised Buco didn't win.

However, the 10 coaches voted and those were the results. I don't know what more to say.

[PSUChamps2001]

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A. Only conference points are considered. (Yes Buco still has more)
B. Points per game Pelletier was higher
C. The 10 coaches in the ECAC East all voted for the awards. More of them picked Pelletier over Buco.
D. As ECACeastFan alludes to, I've heard Buco's demeanor doesn't exactly sit highly in the minds of every coach.
E. Norwich won the regular season title.

Just one thing to point out here....

In games vs Top 5 teams in the Conference:
Buco: 8GP 3-13-16
Pelletier: 7GP 4-4-8

Points per games are nice, but IMHO it should depend on who you get them against more...

[snc11]

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Probably because Mike McShane has the ultimate say for every decision regarding the ECAC East. SNC11 I have to agree with you. I know the argument will be Points Per Game and Pelletier's being higher in the amount of games he played, but staying healthy for a whole season should be an accomplishment as well; it's not easy.

Could also have something to do with Buco's demeanor on the ice. He makes a lot of enemies.

It is a "Player of the Year" award, not "Citizen of the Year" award. Crosby has won 2 Hart Trophy's and many in the NHL don't care for him. Buco's PPG was higher overall. Is this award based only on league games or the overall year? Although it sucks to penalize someone who was injured for any amount of time, we are talking about a "Player of the Year" award, not a "Player of the 3/4 Year" award.

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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How does the leading scorer in the nation not get the "Player of the Year" award in his own conference? In such an instance you might think a goaltender got the award, not another forward.

A. Only conference points are considered. (Yes Buco still has more)
B. Points per game Pelletier was higher
C. The 10 coaches in the ECAC East all voted for the awards. More of them picked Pelletier over Buco.
D. As ECACeastFan alludes to, I've heard Buco's demeanor doesn't exactly sit highly in the minds of every coach.
E. Norwich won the regular season title.

[ECACeastFAN]

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How does the leading scorer in the nation not get the "Player of the Year" award in his own conference? In such an instance you might think a goaltender got the award, not another forward.

Probably because Mike McShane has the ultimate say for every decision regarding the ECAC East. SNC11 I have to agree with you. I know the argument will be Points Per Game and Pelletier's being higher in the amount of games he played, but staying healthy for a whole season should be an accomplishment as well; it's not easy.

Could also have something to do with Buco's demeanor on the ice. He makes a lot of enemies.

[snc11]

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How does the leading scorer in the nation not get the "Player of the Year" award in his own conference? In such an instance you might think a goaltender got the award, not another forward.

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Any reason the Babson Dman Vollmin dropped from 1st to 2nd team (flip flopped with Deutsch)?

Vollmin is 4-18-22
Deutsch is 6-13-19

Babson team Defense avg 1.65 GA
Amherst team Defense avg 2.12 GA

Curious what your thought process is here. As a UMB fan I've seen Vollmin play a lot of great hockey..

Could go either way. They both could end up being the 1st teamers with Gertsakis dropping to 2nd team too. I simply think I moved Deutsch to first team because his PPG is higher now than Vollmin. Also, not sure we'll see four ECAC East players make First Team All-American either....

[ECACeastFAN]

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Updated predictions...Couple of changes, added Thieda, Horrigan, Hawkrigg and Reed.

1st Team:
F. Stephen Buco, UMass Boston
F. William Pelletier, Norwich
F. Nick Zappia, Cortland
D. Aaron Deutsch, Amherst
D. Bobby Gertsakis, Oswego
G. Jamie Murray, Babson

2nd Team:
F. Shawn Hulshoff, Oswego
F. Michael Hawkrigg, Trinity
F. Jared Ten van holtt, Elmira
D. Mike Vollmin, Babson
D. Zach Sarig, Plymouth State
G. Nick Horrigan, Geneseo

3rd Team:
F. Robbie Murden, Hamilton
F. Jordan Reed, Curry
F. Andrew Wigg, Plymouth State
D. Alec Thieda, Norwich
D. Don Oliveri, Nazareth
G. Alex Larson, Nichols

Any reason the Babson Dman Vollmin dropped from 1st to 2nd team (flip flopped with Deutsch)?

Vollmin is 4-18-22
Deutsch is 6-13-19

Babson team Defense avg 1.65 GA
Amherst team Defense avg 2.12 GA

Curious what your thought process is here. As a UMB fan I've seen Vollmin play a lot of great hockey..

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Updated predictions...Couple of changes, added Thieda, Horrigan, Hawkrigg and Reed.

1st Team:
F. Stephen Buco, UMass Boston
F. William Pelletier, Norwich
F. Nick Zappia, Cortland
D. Aaron Deutsch, Amherst
D. Bobby Gertsakis, Oswego
G. Jamie Murray, Babson

2nd Team:
F. Shawn Hulshoff, Oswego
F. Michael Hawkrigg, Trinity
F. Jared Ten van holtt, Elmira
D. Mike Vollmin, Babson
D. Zach Sarig, Plymouth State
G. Nick Horrigan, Geneseo

3rd Team:
F. Robbie Murden, Hamilton
F. Jordan Reed, Curry
F. Andrew Wigg, Plymouth State
D. Alec Thieda, Norwich
D. Don Oliveri, Nazareth
G. Alex Larson, Nichols

[pete99race]

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In the games I have attended in the West this season, my top four forwards are:
Brothers, Joe Kalisz (Stevens Point), Michael Hill (SNC) and Matthew Thompson (Adrian)..