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  • #31
    Originally posted by PuckVoice View Post
    While I am hearing the unhappiness out there loud and clear and I certainly share some of the concerns there is a positive side to this too ... it certainly will get the D-3 Final more attention than it has ever been able to get before ... I'm sure the game will be part of the total ticket package ... meaning the biggest crowd ever for a D-3 Title Game ... and just maybe some decent TV coverage. Can you imagine if the Norwich/St. Norbert double overtime 2010 title game had been played before 18,000 fans? That was one of the ten greatest college games ever played. That kind of exposure would be HUGE for D-3 Hockey!
    Yes and no. While it may be part of a ticket package you only need to look at what use to happen when the "big" school (Norwich, Plattsburgh, Midd) didn't make the finals. While it was a part of the ticket package a lot of fans didn't care.

    Another thing. If you think 18,000 people are going to watch a little DIII game (yes that's how a lot of DI fans feel) your nuts. While we might gain 1,000 fans or so we will lose 1,500 because of travel. Lake Placid works because its in the meatof DIII. How many people are going to buy tickets for a game a year in advance with out even knowing if your teams in the playoffs let alone FF let alone the Championship game. And to get DI FF tickets is not only $$$$ but hard to get unless they did a seperate package who knows but you will see a smaller attendance in a much bigger rink paying more to play in an empty rink.
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    • #32
      Re: Placid certainly not flaccid

      Originally posted by PuckVoice View Post
      While I am hearing the unhappiness out there loud and clear and I certainly share some of the concerns there is a positive side to this too ... it certainly will get the D-3 Final more attention than it has ever been able to get before ... I'm sure the game will be part of the total ticket package ... meaning the biggest crowd ever for a D-3 Title Game ... and just maybe some decent TV coverage. Can you imagine if the Norwich/St. Norbert double overtime 2010 title game had been played before 18,000 fans? That was one of the ten greatest college games ever played. That kind of exposure would be HUGE for D-3 Hockey!
      My biggest gripe is that little (if any) solicitation of the stakeholders was made - certainly NO public input was sought. The ball clearly has been rolling in some NCAA court for quite sometime, yet nothing shy of derivatives can be found. Officially, the NCAA maybe a near $1 BILLION, 501(c)(3) tax exempt organization - but sooner than later, their arrogance and incompetence will get the better of them. The real NCAA motto: "The ego of the few outweigh the respect and rights of the many." This is NOT an attack on any single individual, this is an observation of the whole - a vocal - AND DETERMINED - minority bullying the masses.
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      • #33
        Re: Placid certainly not flaccid

        Originally posted by PuckVoice View Post
        and just maybe some decent TV coverage.
        Any TV coverage would be an improvement above last year. The ECAC was the only league on the D-I side to not have any TV coverage of the championships. They only did an online stream.

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        • #34
          Re: Placid certainly not flaccid

          Originally posted by PuckVoice View Post
          While I am hearing the unhappiness out there loud and clear and I certainly share some of the concerns there is a positive side to this too ... it certainly will get the D-3 Final more attention than it has ever been able to get before ... I'm sure the game will be part of the total ticket package ... meaning the biggest crowd ever for a D-3 Title Game ... and just maybe some decent TV coverage. Can you imagine if the Norwich/St. Norbert double overtime 2010 title game had been played before 18,000 fans? That was one of the ten greatest college games ever played. That kind of exposure would be HUGE for D-3 Hockey!
          PSU is right - you won't get more than Lake Placid - I agree you will get less...and TV won't be more than the live streams of the past couple years - no money in it....no audience in it....
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          • #35
            Re: Placid certainly not flaccid

            Originally posted by PuckVoice View Post
            While I am hearing the unhappiness out there loud and clear and I certainly share some of the concerns there is a positive side to this too ... it certainly will get the D-3 Final more attention than it has ever been able to get before ... I'm sure the game will be part of the total ticket package ... meaning the biggest crowd ever for a D-3 Title Game ... and just maybe some decent TV coverage. Can you imagine if the Norwich/St. Norbert double overtime 2010 title game had been played before 18,000 fans? That was one of the ten greatest college games ever played. That kind of exposure would be HUGE for D-3 Hockey!
            I really think you're being optimistic on this. The D-I ticket package is approaching $200 - which is sticker shock to the D-III audience. If the final is at the same time the Hobey Baker announcement, the D-III final press will be an afterthought.

            Further, D-I goes to out of the way places. Would D-III fans make last minute arrangements to fly to Tampa, St. Louis, or Washington, DC?

            I think the best parallel would be to lacrosse. The D-I semis and final draw very well. The D-II and D-III finals no so much.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by joecct View Post

              I think the best parallel would be to lacrosse. The D-I semis and final draw very well. The D-II and D-III finals no so much.
              You made great points until this IMHO. I think the lacrosse championship SUCCESS is the biggest reason why hockey is trying this. The DIII final game has gotten upwards of 20,000 people to it as well as TV coverage on ESPN.

              Combining the lacrosse has been a great thing for Division III side there but their seasons also ended at the same time and the championship is either in Foxboro or Baltimore every year pretty much which are lacrosse hot beds.

              Tampa St Louis San Jose Washington DC etc aren't so much for D3 hockey.
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              • #37
                Re: Placid certainly not flaccid

                You would have loved it the year they went to Anaheim.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
                  You made great points until this IMHO. I think the lacrosse championship SUCCESS is the biggest reason why hockey is trying this. The DIII final game has gotten upwards of 20,000 people to it as well as TV coverage on ESPN.

                  Combining the lacrosse has been a great thing for Division III side there but their seasons also ended at the same time and the championship is either in Foxboro or Baltimore every year pretty much which are lacrosse hot beds.

                  Tampa St Louis San Jose Washington DC etc aren't so much for D3 hockey.
                  Prezde

                  20,000? Did not look like that many.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by joecct View Post
                    Prezde

                    20,000? Did not look like that many.
                    There may not have been 20K at this past one but I know in previous ones where Cortland and I believe the year Tufts won its gotten close to or exceeded that number.
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                    GO EAGLES!!! R.I.P. L.H. #4 In our hearts forever
                    GO LAKERS!!!
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                    • #40
                      Re: Placid certainly not flaccid

                      Originally posted by spwood View Post
                      How do the Div I Frozen Four size surfaces compare to the Div III rinks? Are Div III teams suddenly going to be playing the Championship game on a surface larger than they have played on all year? If so, that's the real tragedy here....
                      Says the fan of team with a mini-rink that remodeled and left it miniature sized . Everybody plays on rinks with larger dimensions than Plattsburgh
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                      • #41
                        Re: Placid certainly not flaccid

                        Originally posted by NUProf View Post
                        Says the fan of team with a mini-rink that remodeled and left it miniature sized . Everybody plays on rinks with larger dimensions than Plattsburgh
                        I believe it's called Home Field Advantage. Take out 15 feet at centre ice and you can catch teams off guard. It worked for Buffalo at the Aud.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Placid certainly not flaccid

                          Originally posted by NUProf View Post
                          Says the fan of team with a mini-rink that remodeled and left it miniature sized . Everybody plays on rinks with larger dimensions than Plattsburgh
                          Don't you mean: "Everybody is closer to center ice at Plattsburgh"
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                          • #43
                            Re: Placid certainly not flaccid

                            Originally posted by NUProf View Post
                            Says the fan of team with a mini-rink that remodeled and left it miniature sized . Everybody plays on rinks with larger dimensions than Plattsburgh
                            I, for one, enjoy watching the arena football of hockey
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                            • #44
                              Re: Placid certainly not flaccid

                              although I/we/Oswego got jacked up back in the day, 87, like the campus setting, dont know much about the particulars that it involves but just my 2cents from a former player.......

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                              • #45
                                Re: Placid certainly not flaccid

                                Isn’t there a lottery system for getting DI FF tickets if your team is not in-the-mix (and you cannot get pre-allocated tickets)? I seem to recall having a hard time scoring tickets way-back in 2001 (Albany FF), and if not for my connections with an arena sponsor, I would not have been able to get in. However, that was also when the venues were smaller. As the popularity of DI college hockey has grown, so have the venues... but I do not know if the venue capacities have kept-up with the demand.

                                I seem to recall talking with “Kuz” about this a while back, and he & his wife have gone to just-about every DI FF over the past 15-20 years, but he has no problems with getting tickets due to his “seniority” (for lack of a better term) in the lottery system. Does anyone know if this lottery system still applies to the DI FF?

                                As for TV coverage, don't get too excited... there is a whole thread dedicated to that topic in the Café (Complain About ESPN Thread). Last year’s DI FF coverage was terrible, with a good portion of the games on ESPNU and ESPN3. The Championship game was broadcasted on ESPN2 (link to the semis/finals). Nothing made the flagship channel ESPN... nothing. So it is likely that we will not see the DIII final game get any increase in TV coverage as a result of this move... at least not until the ESPN/NCAA deal on all championships (except squeekball) expires, which is in 2023-2024.

                                Oh, and I simply must quote this (out of context, of course), with apologies...
                                Originally posted by PSUChamps2001 View Post
                                ...(yes that's how a lot of DI fans feel) your nuts.
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