Post all your cries whines, objections, complaints here

[Blueliner03]

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Did I read a post in one of either this thread or the speculation thread regarding SOS < .500 being dropped from the field per the NCAA handbook (as the case with Castleton)? Or, was that one of the Bracketologists' own rules?

If a NCAA rule, obviously this would not apply to an AQ team like Adrian, Curry, Bowdoin.

(Based on the 3-1-11 rankings)

[CSC Dad]

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I would...Iwould like to hear what this perception is, I have friends that coach teams and I know a lot of the players in many leagues and I have only heard negative from the Middlebury throng...do the boys get a little carried away ?? sometimes but I think they were better this year...just over an ave of 19 penalty minutes....is that too much heck yea almost a period a game...but USM is at 15.5 ave...CSC is like 12th or 14th in pen minutes but only 4 min diff between 12 to 40th

Here are the stats for the Alex Todd's first 4 years at Castleton - which coincides when my son played for them. Notice that Castleton had the most penalties once in those 4 years. However, USM lead two years and had more than Castleton a third years.

What is the NESCAC biggest complaints about the ECAC-EAST???? You will find your answers in there...The Bench penalties @ 20:00 minutes don't help either...

Looks like USM had a hand in the perception as well, so maybe you need to come to grips with reality about things in your own back yard before making a big issue. I saw a Norwich player rip the helmet off a Castleton player in the last game, but Castleton is the bad team because you say so. Look below the 4 years of ECAC-East stats for an interesting tidbit. Their PIM were accomplished in 15 games that year (4 leass that CSC played). This year they were at 19.4 minutes. That team gets to play the "elite" teams now because they win and it helps the opposing teams SOS and that is what makes the difference this time of years.

ECAC East 2005-2006
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
1 Castleton State 19 476 25.1
2 Southern Maine 19 411 21.6
3 New England 19 388 20.4
4 UMass Boston 19 369 19.4
5 Saint Michael's 19 355 18.7
6 Saint Anselm 19 346 18.2
7 Salem State 19 334 17.6
8 Norwich 19 304 16.0
9 Skidmore 19 263 13.8
10 Babson 19 259 13.6

ECAC East 2006-2007
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
1 Southern Maine 19 453 23.8
2 Castleton 19 452 23.8
3 New England 19 406 21.4
Salem State 19 406 21.4
5 Saint Anselm 19 393 20.7
6 Saint Michael's 19 339 17.8
7 UMass Boston 19 338 17.8
8 Babson 19 320 16.8
9 Skidmore 19 277 14.6
10 Norwich 19 248 13.1


ECAC East 2007-2008
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
1 Southern Maine 19 451 23.7
2 Saint Michael's 19 412 21.7
3 Salem State 19 369 19.4
4 Castleton 19 317 16.7
5 New England 19 297 15.6
6 UMass Boston 19 296 15.6
7 Saint Anselm 19 294 15.5
8 Norwich 19 272 14.3
9 Skidmore 19 239 12.6
10 Babson 19 238 12.5

ECAC East 2007-2008
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
1 Salem State 19 416 21.9
2 Southern Maine 19 337 17.7
3 Saint Anselm 19 313 16.5
4 Saint Michael's 19 309 16.3
5 New England 19 305 16.1
6 Castleton 19 302 15.9
7 Babson 19 300 15.8
8 Norwich 19 243 12.8
9 Skidmore 19 220 11.6
10 UMass Boston 19 210 11.1

Bonus PIM:
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
1 Neumann 15 522 34.8
2 Manhattanville 15 465 31.0
3 Lebanon Valley 15 420 28.0
4 Hobart 15 353 23.5
5 Elmira 15 282 18.8
6 Utica 15 237 15.8

[1985]

Re: Post all your cries whines, objections, complaints here

Here are the stats for the Alex Todd's first 4 years at Castleton - which coincides when my son played for them. Notice that Castleton had the most penalties once in those 4 years. However, USM lead two years and had more than Castleton a third years.

Looks like USM had a hand in the perception as well, so maybe you need to come to grips with reality about things in your own back yard before making a big issue. I saw a Norwich player rip the helmet off a Castleton player in the last game, but Castleton is the bad team because you say so. Look below the 4 years of ECAC-East stats for an interesting tidbit. Their PIM were accomplished in 15 games that year (4 leass that CSC played). This year they were at 19.4 minutes. That team gets to play the "elite" teams now because they win and it helps the opposing teams SOS and that is what makes the difference this time of years.

ECAC East 2005-2006
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
1 Castleton State 19 476 25.1
2 Southern Maine 19 411 21.6
3 New England 19 388 20.4
4 UMass Boston 19 369 19.4
5 Saint Michael's 19 355 18.7
6 Saint Anselm 19 346 18.2
7 Salem State 19 334 17.6
8 Norwich 19 304 16.0
9 Skidmore 19 263 13.8
10 Babson 19 259 13.6

ECAC East 2006-2007
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
1 Southern Maine 19 453 23.8
2 Castleton 19 452 23.8
3 New England 19 406 21.4
Salem State 19 406 21.4
5 Saint Anselm 19 393 20.7
6 Saint Michael's 19 339 17.8
7 UMass Boston 19 338 17.8
8 Babson 19 320 16.8
9 Skidmore 19 277 14.6
10 Norwich 19 248 13.1


ECAC East 2007-2008
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
1 Southern Maine 19 451 23.7
2 Saint Michael's 19 412 21.7
3 Salem State 19 369 19.4
4 Castleton 19 317 16.7
5 New England 19 297 15.6
6 UMass Boston 19 296 15.6
7 Saint Anselm 19 294 15.5
8 Norwich 19 272 14.3
9 Skidmore 19 239 12.6
10 Babson 19 238 12.5

ECAC East 2007-2008
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
1 Salem State 19 416 21.9
2 Southern Maine 19 337 17.7
3 Saint Anselm 19 313 16.5
4 Saint Michael's 19 309 16.3
5 New England 19 305 16.1
6 Castleton 19 302 15.9
7 Babson 19 300 15.8
8 Norwich 19 243 12.8
9 Skidmore 19 220 11.6
10 UMass Boston 19 210 11.1

Bonus PIM:
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
1 Neumann 15 522 34.8
2 Manhattanville 15 465 31.0
3 Lebanon Valley 15 420 28.0
4 Hobart 15 353 23.5
5 Elmira 15 282 18.8
6 Utica 15 237 15.8

You will be told that it is CSC's fault that the Norwich player pulled his helmet off, CSC is responsible for the other teams penalties as they would not take them against other teams but it is because of the way CSC plays

[The Real Georgia Peach]

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WILL YOU JUST STOP!!! Castleton isn't in....Deal with it. They couldn't get into the finals in their own conference. Maye next year they can just win their conference and save all this bandwidth.

[1985]

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WILL YOU JUST STOP!!! Castleton isn't in....Deal with it. They couldn't get into the finals in their own conference. Maye next year they can just win their conference and save all this bandwidth.

has nothin to do with being "in" has to do with post earlier making accusations against this team, if you don't like it don't read it as 77 says all the time....go whine about having to pay a small fee to watch you team play

[CSC Dad]

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WILL YOU JUST STOP!!! Castleton isn't in....Deal with it. They couldn't get into the finals in their own conference. Maye next year they can just win their conference and save all this bandwidth.

Please, nothing was said about Castleton and the NCAA tournament - however this thread has become a bash Castleton thread lead by HockeyFan77 who continually bashes Castleton even when there is a huge stink pile in his own backyard.

I agree that all Castleton had to do was win the Conference, but to blame the collapse of the Interlock solely on Castleton as has been done leads to hijacking the thread to present the evidence. Norwich fans so it all the time - just read the Castleton threads.

[LakerEagleLover]

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Just Go Away...

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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With a committee of 2 east and 2 west, it's probably hard to switch the rankings, but not impossible. In other sports, you have eight regions represented by one. Much easier to override that way. My other question would be to wonder what the ECAC West rep on the East call though of Elmira falling a spot?

The regional advisory committees that have been appointed to assist in the
evaluation of teams throughout the season are:

Division III East
Bruce Delventhal, Plattsburgh State University of New York, chair
Michael McShane, Norwich University
Edward Gosek, State University of New York at Oswego
Lou Izzi, Nichols College
Keith Levinthal, Manhattanville College
Chris Potter, Wesleyan University (Connecticut)
William O’Neill, Salem State University
Jamie Rice, Babson College

Looks as though we'd have to ask Mr. Levinthal.

[1985]

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Just Go Away...

not hardly, we will continue to support and fight the 1/2 truths that are spewed about here as you all do for you teams

[OSU2010]

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Just Go Away...

+1,000,000

[CSC Dad]

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You will be told that it is CSC's fault that the Norwich player pulled his helmet off, CSC is responsible for the other teams penalties as they would not take them against other teams but it is because of the way CSC plays

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.ph...=1#post5034818

Actually Castleton was bashed again for penalties and destroying the Interlock. Oh, no one from Norwich explained why the player who ripped of the Castleton player's helmet never sat for that infraction (15 PIMs in one play - 5 Facemask and 10 minute misconduct). Yet questioned why a Castleton player did not get benched for accumulating 20 penalty minutes over 2 games.

[jerrynu26]

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http://board.uscho.com/showthread.ph...=1#post5034818

Actually Castleton was bashed again for penalties and destroying the Interlock. Oh, no one from Norwich explained why the player who ripped of the Castleton player's helmet never sat for that infraction (15 PIMs in one play - 5 Facemask and 10 minute misconduct). Yet questioned why a Castleton player did not get benched for accumulating 20 penalty minutes over 2 games.

Perhaps because it was an aberation, not a consistant thing. As far as "destroying the interlock", shouldn't you be asking NESCAC people that?

[hockeyfan77]

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Never bashed CSC or said the were the reason the interlock died. I said that was the presumption with most of the teams that they play on the edge and teams didnt want to play them. If you can't handle the truth than you are just thin skinned and can't deal with reality. Other than that one incedent with CSC I have no problem with them. If the truth hurts dont read my post.

[1985]

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Originally Posted by hockeyfan77
Teams just don't want to schedule them...I have heard that many of the interlock teams don't want to play them: NESCSC teams hate them, a main reason they left???? not sure but I think so(CSC is not the only team in this boat however): I am not a huge fan of the NESCAC anyway...

There are reasons why but I will not share them on this board....You played Colby because of the interlock by the way....I am in no way typing to slam CSC players but if you can't find opponents their is a reason...I am also not trying to diss you either 1985 because unlike Northern Bile you bring reason and decent thought out post to these boards...CSC is going to be TOUGH next year, not looking forward to playing them twice....


in this post, I read "nescac main reason they left?" this post led to others bashing CSC and their "pattern" of dumb penalties. 20 min a game, many contact to the head penalties etc etc.....perception of cheap play and then the spewing of stats that were eithere 1/2 truths or needed to be put in perspective....so yes it would appear that CSC is being bashed

[93GreatLaker]

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A more appropriate thread title may have been:

Post all your cries whines, objections, complaints here....but know that if you do we will beat you to a bloody pulp, say that you are a moron, and absolutely rip your favorite team to shreds!