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  • Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

    There has been some debate on this in other threads, and there seems to be an East-West divide. There is even a divide in what the conferences call each title. The WCHA calls the RS winner the conference champions and the tournament winners are the "playoff Champions." In ECAC and Hockey East, the RS winner in the "Regular Season Champion" or "winner" and the tournament champion is the conference champion. I don't know about the CCHA. I also know BU lists RS titles, but has individual banners for playoff titles. North Dakota has individual banners for RS titles and doesn't even bother hanging banners for playoff title.

    I say the RS title is bigger at the conference level. It takes a whole year of great play to win it, not just getting hot for a couple of weeks.
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    Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

    I would agree that,in theory, the regular season championship is more important. As you stated,it takes the whole season to win it. But as the playoffs determine who gets the respective auto-bids it kind of puts an emphisis on winning the Conference championship.

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    • #3
      Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

      Originally posted by RPIHOCKEYFAN View Post
      I would agree that,in theory, the regular season championship is more important. As you stated,it takes the whole season to win it. But as the playoffs determine who gets the respective auto-bids it kind of puts an emphisis on winning the Conference championship.
      Agreed, but when was the last time a RS first-place finisher did not make the NCAAs? Maybe in the AHA or CHA, but it probably doesn't happen often.

      That said, I did vote for the playoffs as more important. I will compare it to soccer: In Europe, the regular season standings determine the champion, period. No playoffs. But here, the regular season champion gets something called the "Supporter's Shield," which most casual fans have no idea exists, and then a real champion is determined in the MLS Cup. To me, winning the RS title is great, but it doesn't really matter as long as you make the playoffs. Yes, it proves that you've been the best team all season, but that's not what it takes to determine a national champion. Can you imagine how boring it'd be if the final RPI rating determined the national champion?


      ...yes, I was sort of taking a shot at the BCS at the end there...

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      • #4
        Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

        In regards to what is a better accomplishment, it has to be the regular season. With that said, I'd rather come in second and have a team that wins the conference tourney, knowing that they are rolling on all cylinders heading into the NCAA play.

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        • #5
          Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

          Originally posted by kdiff77 View Post
          Agreed, but when was the last time a RS first-place finisher did not make the NCAAs? Maybe in the AHA or CHA, but it probably doesn't happen often.
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          • #6
            Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

            Bigger accomplishment? RS title because it is over the course of a longer time period and thus more difficult and a greater accomplishment. A great RS will get you into the NCAAs regardless of conf tourney performance, possibly even lock up a 1 seed even with a 1st round exit in the conf tourney. So it's very important and a big accomplishment.

            What is bigger? The conf tourney. To think otherwise would be a reversal of the overall sports fundamental that postseason > RS. And really, who thinks that outside of New Hampshire? While it is unique in that the first postseason tourney doesn't have a huge effect necessarily on the BIG tournament, it's still postseason/playoffs and the winner is absolutely guaranteed an NCAA invite. In that sense with the autobid, it has different meaning for different teams. It means the world for teams out of the NCAA field to grab the invite. To top teams, it still means a lot as it helps with positioning for higher seeding but isn't absolutely paramount and the season continues despite a trip-up in the conf tourney. The one and done format is a great test for the NCAAs as well. And you want to be playing your best in March.
            Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010
            The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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            • #7
              Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

              Regular Season championships carry the same weight as having dining privileges at Wendy's. They don't have autobids and the only reward for finishing first is the top seed in the tournament.

              The conference tournament is more important because after a five-six month campaign, you have to enter a playoff tournament and, in many cases, have to succeed if you want a shot at a NCAA tournament bid.

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              • #8
                Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

                For regular season you get this:
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                For the tournament you get this:
                *****http://www.gopherpucklive.com/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=2&image_id=2270******

                Regular Season wins

                I do think that the conference RS title is more prestigious, however I will admit that winner the conference tournament is a better indication of success in the NCAA tournament.
                SCSU Hockey: 2001 WCHA Playoff Champions, 2013 WCHA Champions & Frozen Four, 2014 NCHC Champions, 2016 NCHC Playoff Champions
                UMD Women: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2010
                Gopher Football: 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
                Johnnie Football: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003
                UMD Football: 2008, 2010
                UMD Men: 2011

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                • #9
                  Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

                  Regular season is definately more difficult to win, you need to be consistently better than everyone else for five months, in some conference tourney's teams only have to win four games.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

                    Quick: Who had the best regular-season record in the NFL in 2000? How about MLB? NHL? NBA?

                    The regular season is just a warmup for primetime.
                    If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

                      Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                      Quick: Who had the best regular-season record in the NFL in 2000? How about MLB? NHL? NBA?

                      The regular season is just a warmup for primetime.
                      The playoffs in professional sports are on par with the NCAA tournament. The conference tournament is a whole different animal that doesn't have a professional equivilent, which is why this is up for debate. I could name more WCHA Champions the past 15 years than WCHA Playoff Champions.
                      SCSU Hockey: 2001 WCHA Playoff Champions, 2013 WCHA Champions & Frozen Four, 2014 NCHC Champions, 2016 NCHC Playoff Champions
                      UMD Women: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2010
                      Gopher Football: 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
                      Johnnie Football: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003
                      UMD Football: 2008, 2010
                      UMD Men: 2011

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                      • #12
                        Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

                        Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                        The regular season is just a warmup for primetime.
                        Bingo.
                        Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010
                        The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

                          The Regular Season is where you earn your spot in the primetime. The conference tournaments are just a second chance for teams that don't deserve it.
                          Last edited by HumRsky; 05-19-2010, 04:20 PM.
                          SCSU Hockey: 2001 WCHA Playoff Champions, 2013 WCHA Champions & Frozen Four, 2014 NCHC Champions, 2016 NCHC Playoff Champions
                          UMD Women: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2010
                          Gopher Football: 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
                          Johnnie Football: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003
                          UMD Football: 2008, 2010
                          UMD Men: 2011

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                          • #14
                            Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

                            I'm surprised at the number of people who care about the regular season. It's all about the conference tournament (and continued onto the NCAA tournament).

                            Playoff hockey is playoff hockey. Playoff hocky >>> regular season hockey. It's more intense, the battles down low are more intense, teams play harder, and goals are harder to come by.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

                              For a good discussion of this topic (and hilarious) check any UNH - BC thread.
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