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Re: A Solution for the "Fighting" Sioux, Denver's Boone, and Other "Lost" Mascots...
Originally posted by Dirty View PostHell yes. I'm for anything and everything that reflects poorly on NDSU.
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Re: A Solution for the "Fighting" Sioux, Denver's Boone, and Other "Lost" Mascots...
Thanks for all the corrections. I was under the impression there was an objection to the "Fighting Sioux" nickname made by someone who was able to obtain a legal injunction against UND using this name. Apparently this is not so. The Sioux people reportedly love UND's use of their name so there is actually no problem, and I have stumbled into a thread of light-hearted banter about a purely hypothetical situation. Sorry. Get on with your playful quibbling.
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Actually, the sues' biggest problem is that when the BTHC comes about, Minnesota will no longer play any games against the sue. The suzy will instead switch to a larger and more impressive rivalry against BSU.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX
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Originally posted by Happy View PostActually, the sues' biggest problem is that when the BTHC comes about, Minnesota will no longer play any games against the sue."My greatest achievement."
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I don't know the legalese behind this kind of thing. I think the original post was getting at this...is there anything stopping a company from making Fighting Sioux gear after the University stops using it? If a fan could buy a UND Whatevers jersey from the University store or a Fighting Sioux jersey from the sporting goods store across the street, what do you think he or she would buy? Even if it isn't officially licensed stuff, if it is high quality and uses the same artwork, I can't see the stuff not selling.Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.
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Re: A Solution for the "Fighting" Sioux, Denver's Boone, and Other "Lost" Mascots...
Originally posted by bigblue_dl View PostI don't know the legalese behind this kind of thing. I think the original post was getting at this...is there anything stopping a company from making Fighting Sioux gear after the University stops using it? If a fan could buy a UND Whatevers jersey from the University store or a Fighting Sioux jersey from the sporting goods store across the street, what do you think he or she would buy? Even if it isn't officially licensed stuff, if it is high quality and uses the same artwork, I can't see the stuff not selling."My greatest achievement."
Dirty on getting me suspended from USCHO.
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Re: A Solution for the "Fighting" Sioux, Denver's Boone, and Other "Lost" Mascots...
From my understanding, a logo or trademark is not open to the public sphere unless the owner ceases to fight for its protection. While the school may not continue to use the logo or trademark, they still have the right to protect from its unlicensed use by others. They can still send cease and desist letters and even sue for damages from those who made a profit off of it.
This makes sense if you think about it, no company would ever update their logo or slogan if they knew people could make money off their old one, or even worse use that old logo to somehow put their company or product in a bad light.
With most schools' budget problems, why wouldn't they continue to fight for damages?University of Minnesota Duluth Bulldogs
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Originally posted by darker98 View PostI don't know the legal stuff either, but I'd think they could use the fighting Sioux, but don't think the could use UND and profit from it.Last edited by du78; 02-17-2011, 08:25 PM.DU HOCKEY 1958 1960 1961 1968 1969 2004 2005 2017 NCAA CHAMPIONS
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Originally posted by Osorojo View PostIf North Dakota were for some reason adopt "The Lady Ga-Ga's" as their nickname they would be stopped in a flash. Same goes if they were to call themselves "The Fighting U.S. Marines." What in blazes besides bigotry makes any person or group think they can use the name of another person or group to identify themselves and turn a profit?
Originally posted by Osorojo View PostKnights, Utes, Cowboys, Bozos, Mariners, Canadiens, Dimwits, Yankees, Irish, even Redskins - all are collective, non specific nouns and the law deems members or wanna-be members of such groups are not harmed by misuse or profitable use of these names. To belabor the obvious: you can call your outfit "The Fighting Warriors" or "The Fighting Soldiers," but you can't call them "The Fighting U.S. Marines" no matter how much money an alum donates.
"Sioux" and "Seminole" are two specific nouns which denote specific, discrete groups of people with common social, tribal and economic interests. Unauthorized public use of their names would seem to constitute identity theft. Sports fans are assuredly tribal in nature, but let them create their own identities and totems rather than pirate and rely upon the reputations of others.
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Originally posted by UMDSimmerdown View PostFrom my understanding, a logo or trademark is not open to the public sphere unless the owner ceases to fight for its protection. While the school may not continue to use the logo or trademark, they still have the right to protect from its unlicensed use by others. They can still send cease and desist letters and even sue for damages from those who made a profit off of it.
This makes sense if you think about it, no company would ever update their logo or slogan if they knew people could make money off their old one, or even worse use that old logo to somehow put their company or product in a bad light.
With most schools' budget problems, why wouldn't they continue to fight for damages?Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.
RIP - Kirby
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Originally posted by bueller View PostI thought the original post was advocating for a law to force abandonment of trademarks in these situations."My greatest achievement."
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Originally posted by JohnsonsJerseys View PostWhen a school declares that a slogan, mascot, nickname, etc will no longer be used because it isn't PC and must be eliminated for the common good, that entity immediately becomes public domain*. From that day forward the school forfeits all copyrights, trademarks, etc related to it and is not entitled to any royalties from its use and must make public all graphics, fonts, and other materials related to such items. Thus the entity becomes public property and anyone who chooses can use it in any manner that they see fit. Maybe they could use it for their own sports team, personal business slogan, or simply for personal financial gain (printing T-shirts, stickers, banners, etc.) in the realm of sports marketing.
* The one exception being, those that caused the entity to become public domain shall be banned from any use of such items.This space for sale.
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Originally posted by bueller View PostI think what he wants is a law that forces schools to give up rights to logos, mascots, etc if they choose to change said logos or mascots for bull**** PC reasons."My greatest achievement."
Dirty on getting me suspended from USCHO.
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