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    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

      Thank you for providing the proper link.

      #7 is up, and it is Wisconsin.

      What does that tell us? Wisconsin dropped from #6 last season, and Boston College has made a jump after winning their 5th title.
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      • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

        And the list is complete...

        http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/G...-Programs.html

        Obviously, some changes in the top 6. As noted before, Wisconsin dropped out of the top 6, largely due to BC's great season this year. BU dropped two spots from #4 to #6. One spot is easily accounted for due to BC's title season, but the other was actually a mistake on my part. I had transposed a number for DU (I also just caught that I missed a number for Union, so their point value increased, but their rank stayed the same), and when it was corrected, DU saw an increase of about 11-12 points (the rest of their improvement was from their season this year...about 1.5 points). As a result, DU jumps from #5 to #4 (where they should have been last season). Meanwhile, BC jumps from #7 to #5, and is just one Jerry York-esque season away from moving up further.

        As for the top 3, Minnesota made up some ground on North Dakota, and are now about 29 points behind UND. North Dakota made up about 3 points on Michigan, but are still a significant 52ish points back.

        Looking to next year, Michigan will almost assuredly continue to be #1. It is possible if North Dakota had one of those greatest of all-time seasons that they could catch Michigan, but it would likely require the Wolverines having a very bad season. Minnesota could jump North Dakota if they win the title (assuming they win it over someone else besides North Dakota). It is unlikely that anyone supplants one of these three squads in the top 3.

        BC has a great chance to move to #4 and put themselves in position for a run at the top 3 with another title next season. The same could be said for DU, BU, or Wisconsin, as that group between #4-#7 is pretty fluid. As noted earlier, Michigan State is pretty isolated at #8, and probably won't be challenged for the foreseeable future. If the Spartans were to win a couple titles in a row, they might be able to put themselves within striking distance of the top 7.

        The next group that is pretty bunched up is #9-#13. If anyone in that group wins a title they likely find themselves #9 (unless it is something like CC over Maine, in which Maine could theoretically hold on to the #9 spot). Clarkson and Harvard are close at 14/15, and if Harvard has a very good season (read: ECAC title/Regional Finalist) where Clarkson struggles, the Crimson could move up a spot. Duluth is also within striking distance where a Frozen Four perhaps puts them past both schools, and RPI is in a similar position, although it would likely take a title to move up past Clarkson (and we all know RPI won't win their title until 2016).

        Obviously, a title can jump a team up quite a bit. A championship game appearance can boost a school up quite a bit as well, and a Frozen Four bid does some damage. Will we see more newcomers to the Frozen Four stage? Since 2008, six schools have made their first trip to the Frozen Four (Notre Dame in '08, Miami and Bemidji St. in '09, RIT in '10, and Union and Ferris St. in '12), so there is a decent chance that we see a school make their first trip. My best guesses would be SCSU, Western Michigan, Lowell, Merrimack, or Omaha. If any of those teams make the Frozen Four, they will likely jump up in the rankings.

        Anyway, I will be updating the numbers at the end of next season, so until then there will not be any new updates. Thank you to everyone that followed the updates. Obviously, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them the best I can.
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        • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
          And the list is complete...

          http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/G...-Programs.html

          Obviously, some changes in the top 6. As noted before, Wisconsin dropped out of the top 6, largely due to BC's great season this year. BU dropped two spots from #4 to #6. One spot is easily accounted for due to BC's title season, but the other was actually a mistake on my part. I had transposed a number for DU (I also just caught that I missed a number for Union, so their point value increased, but their rank stayed the same), and when it was corrected, DU saw an increase of about 11-12 points (the rest of their improvement was from their season this year...about 1.5 points). As a result, DU jumps from #5 to #4 (where they should have been last season). Meanwhile, BC jumps from #7 to #5, and is just one Jerry York-esque season away from moving up further.

          As for the top 3, Minnesota made up some ground on North Dakota, and are now about 29 points behind UND. North Dakota made up about 3 points on Michigan, but are still a significant 52ish points back.

          Looking to next year, Michigan will almost assuredly continue to be #1. It is possible if North Dakota had one of those greatest of all-time seasons that they could catch Michigan, but it would likely require the Wolverines having a very bad season. Minnesota could jump North Dakota if they win the title (assuming they win it over someone else besides North Dakota). It is unlikely that anyone supplants one of these three squads in the top 3.

          BC has a great chance to move to #4 and put themselves in position for a run at the top 3 with another title next season. The same could be said for DU, BU, or Wisconsin, as that group between #4-#7 is pretty fluid. As noted earlier, Michigan State is pretty isolated at #8, and probably won't be challenged for the foreseeable future. If the Spartans were to win a couple titles in a row, they might be able to put themselves within striking distance of the top 7.

          The next group that is pretty bunched up is #9-#13. If anyone in that group wins a title they likely find themselves #9 (unless it is something like CC over Maine, in which Maine could theoretically hold on to the #9 spot). Clarkson and Harvard are close at 14/15, and if Harvard has a very good season (read: ECAC title/Regional Finalist) where Clarkson struggles, the Crimson could move up a spot. Duluth is also within striking distance where a Frozen Four perhaps puts them past both schools, and RPI is in a similar position, although it would likely take a title to move up past Clarkson (and we all know RPI won't win their title until 2016).

          Obviously, a title can jump a team up quite a bit. A championship game appearance can boost a school up quite a bit as well, and a Frozen Four bid does some damage. Will we see more newcomers to the Frozen Four stage? Since 2008, six schools have made their first trip to the Frozen Four (Notre Dame in '08, Miami and Bemidji St. in '09, RIT in '10, and Union and Ferris St. in '12), so there is a decent chance that we see a school make their first trip. My best guesses would be SCSU, Western Michigan, Lowell, Merrimack, or Omaha. If any of those teams make the Frozen Four, they will likely jump up in the rankings.

          Anyway, I will be updating the numbers at the end of next season, so until then there will not be any new updates. Thank you to everyone that followed the updates. Obviously, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them the best I can.
          Sorry if I missed this, but how did Denver gain more points than Minnesota?

          EDIT: Nevermind, I just saw your note
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          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

            Originally posted by mnstate0fhockey View Post
            Sorry if I missed this, but how did Denver gain more points than Minnesota?
            I had transposed a number when I put the data in and didn't notice the mistake until I was going through my double check of the data at the end of the season. DU put up about 1.5 points this season, and gained about 12 when I corrected my mistake. DU should have been #4 at the end of last season, and basically held their ground this season.
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            • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
              I had transposed a number when I put the data in and didn't notice the mistake until I was going through my double check of the data at the end of the season. DU put up about 1.5 points this season, and gained about 12 when I corrected my mistake. DU should have been #4 at the end of last season, and basically held their ground this season.
              Yeah, just saw your note. Thanks
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              • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                Originally posted by mnstate0fhockey View Post
                Yeah, just saw your note. Thanks
                Anytime.

                Here were the top 5 point gainers this season: (not including Denver's gain)
                BC - 38.8819
                Ferris St. - 19.0003
                Union - 9.7649
                Minnesota - 7.6992
                Duluth - 5.1341
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                • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                  Originally posted by mnstate0fhockey View Post
                  Sorry if I missed this, but how did Denver gain more points than Minnesota?

                  EDIT: Nevermind, I just saw your note
                  Minnesota gets negative points for tradition...
                  Bottom Line: If you deserve to win the national championship then don't worry about who you play, when, and where. Just keep winning.
                  Exception: You are right about the refs. They, no doubt, have it in for <insert your team name here>!

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                  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                    Originally posted by gopheritall View Post
                    Minnesota gets negative points for tradition...
                    No, it's just that everyone else has so much more tradition that the Gophers just can't keep up.
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                    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                      Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                      No, it's just that everyone else has so much more tradition that the Gophers just can't keep up.
                      LOL. There is nothing in post #1. Did you describe what teams get points for or is it a secret sauce?
                      Bottom Line: If you deserve to win the national championship then don't worry about who you play, when, and where. Just keep winning.
                      Exception: You are right about the refs. They, no doubt, have it in for <insert your team name here>!

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                      • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                        Originally posted by gopheritall View Post
                        LOL. There is nothing in post #1. Did you describe what teams get points for or is it a secret sauce?
                        I did. I don't remember what post # it starts, but it was after I initially posted the rankings.

                        EDIT: Post #587
                        Last edited by Fighting Sioux 23; 04-15-2012, 12:07 PM.
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                        • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                          Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                          I had transposed a number when I put the data in and didn't notice the mistake until I was going through my double check of the data at the end of the season. DU put up about 1.5 points this season, and gained about 12 when I corrected my mistake. DU should have been #4 at the end of last season, and basically held their ground this season.
                          thanks FS23, i enjoyed this and appreciate your efforts
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                          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                            Originally posted by gopheritall View Post
                            Minnesota gets negative points for tradition...
                            With the Tradition modifier Minnesota is #1 in this and every other list using Math or any subjective method for that matter.
                            **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                            Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                            Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                            • Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                              With the Tradition modifier Minnesota is #1 in this and every other list using Math or any subjective method for that matter.
                              Great idea. Invite the trolling into this thread

                              You're as bad as he is.
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                              • Originally posted by mnstate0fhockey View Post
                                Great idea. Invite the trolling into this thread

                                You're as bad as he is.
                                Im sorry but the joke is just way to funny and poppin fresh. It makes me laugh so much.


                                Great job FS, love seeing this done, I highly doubt UMD will gain many points next year.
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