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  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

    Interesting. They have more NC's than Minnesota and BU. I guess a lack of regular season championships will kill you in a numbers game when competing against Minnesota and, it appears, Boston University.
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    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

      Originally posted by UMDbulldogs#1 View Post
      Interesting. They have more NC's than Minnesota and BU. I guess a lack of regular season championships will kill you in a numbers game when competing against Minnesota and, it appears, Boston University.
      They also don't have the history that Minnesota and BU have either. If you look at points/season played, Wisconsin is in the top 3 or 4.
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      • Originally posted by UMDbulldogs#1 View Post
        Interesting. They have more NC's than Minnesota and BU. I guess a lack of regular season championships will kill you in a numbers game when competing against Minnesota and, it appears, Boston University.
        Minnesota and BU have a lot more NCAA and Frozen Four appearances and higher all-time winning percentages, same reason Denver is behind those two despite two more NCs and one more regular season title than Minnesota.
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        • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

          Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
          They also don't have the history that Minnesota and BU have either. If you look at points/season played, Wisconsin is in the top 3 or 4.
          I'd be surprised if Wisconsin and Maine were not 1 and 2 in points per season.

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          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

            Originally posted by Almington View Post
            I'd be surprised if Wisconsin and Maine were not 1 and 2 in points per season.
            North Dakota is #1. I believe Wisconsin is just barely behind Denver and Michigan for 4th, and Maine is 5th.
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            • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

              Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
              North Dakota is #1. I believe Wisconsin is just barely behind Denver and Michigan for 4th, and Maine is 5th.
              What Season are you using as a baseline? 1947-48? Which would give UND 63 seasons the same as Michigan, Michigan would have to be above UND.

              UW started in 1963-64 season, giving them 48 seasons. Which would give them 7.07 pts/season.

              Michigan will stay ahead of UW in pts/season by a narrow margin after accounting for points they earned this season.

              Maine comes in at just under 5pts/season
              Last edited by Almington; 04-28-2011, 09:40 PM.

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              • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                Originally posted by Almington View Post
                What Season are you using as a baseline? 1947-48? Which would give UND 63 seasons the same as Michigan, Michigan would have to be above UND.

                UW started in 1963-64 season, giving them 48 seasons.
                I used 62 Wisconsin seasons to calculate their ranking. I believe North Dakota had 69. Michigan was over 90. Denver was at 60 seasons.
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                • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                  Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                  I used 62 Wisconsin seasons to calculate their ranking. I believe North Dakota had 69. Michigan was over 90. Denver was at 60 seasons.
                  How can you use all of those seasons if there were not championships before 1948?
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                  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                    Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                    How can you use all of those seasons if there were not championships before 1948?
                    Because it's the Greatest Programs of All-Time, not the Greatest Programs since 1948.
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                    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                      Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                      I used 62 Wisconsin seasons to calculate their ranking. I believe North Dakota had 69. Michigan was over 90. Denver was at 60 seasons.
                      Ok, you went all the way back to the pre-ncaa days. I was just thinking about the modern era that started with the NCAA tournament in 1947-48 season.

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                      • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                        Originally posted by Almington View Post
                        Ok, you went all the way back to the pre-ncaa days. I was just thinking about the modern era that started with the NCAA tournament in 1947-48 season.
                        Correct. If we looked at just '48-present, North Dakota is still ahead of Wisconsin, but it's by less than a hundreth of a point/season. Michigan is actually BARELY #1 when take out pre-'48 results. Wisconsin loses about a dozen points due to pre-'48 success.
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                        • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                          Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                          How can you use all of those seasons if there were not championships before 1948?
                          Their wasn't anything really, no conferences, no tournaments, it isn't really going to have much of a impact.

                          I would have used 1948 as a baseline year 0, but this is FS23's rankings and he can do whatever he wants.

                          If it is the greatest program of all time you'd also have to include all of the teams who played prior to 1955 when the teams were separated into divisions and all of the defunct teams.
                          Last edited by Almington; 04-28-2011, 10:05 PM.

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                          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                            Originally posted by Almington View Post
                            If it is the greatest program of all time you'd also have to include all of the teams who played prior to 1955 when the teams were separated into divisions and all of the defunct teams.
                            I would love to include everyone. The problem is, the data just isn't available. Therefore, I decided to rank the teams currently playing D-1. If I could get all the data to include all of the defunct/no longer playing D-1 teams, I would. If you would like to spearhead the project (there were some people that were going to try and help with this earlier in the thread, perhaps work with them), it would be greatly appreciated and I would include that data in my list.
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                            • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                              Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                              They also don't have the history that Minnesota and BU have either. If you look at points/season played, Wisconsin is in the top 3 or 4.
                              Makes sense. Complete body of work.

                              Good job on this btw.
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                              • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                                Coming in at #5...

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                                2009-2010 Final Points: 333.3811
                                2010-2011 Points Earned: 7.2447
                                2010-2011 Final Points: 340.6258
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                                #06 - Wisconsin (-1)
                                #07 - Boston College
                                #08 - Michigan State
                                #09 - Maine
                                #10 - Michigan Tech
                                #11 - Lake Superior State
                                #12 - Cornell
                                #13 - Colorado College
                                #14 - Clarkson
                                #15 - Harvard
                                #16 - Minnesota Duluth (+4)
                                #17 - RPI (-1)
                                #18 - Northern Michigan
                                #19 - New Hampshire
                                #20 - Bowling Green (-3)
                                #21 - St. Lawrence
                                #22 - Miami (+1)
                                #23 - Providence (-1)
                                #24 - Notre Dame (+1)
                                #25 - Dartmouth (-1)
                                #26 - Yale
                                #27 - Colgate
                                #28 - Northeastern
                                #29 - Brown
                                #30 - Ohio State
                                #31 - Vermont
                                #32 - St. Cloud State
                                #33 - Bemidji State
                                #34 - RIT
                                #35 - Ferris State
                                #36 - UMASS-Lowell
                                #37 - Niagara
                                #38 - Western Michigan
                                #39 - Alaska Anchorage (+2)
                                #40 - Princeton (-1)
                                #41 - Holy Cross (-1)
                                #42 - Air Force
                                #43 - Quinnipiac
                                #44 - Merrimack (+1)
                                #45 - Nebraska Omaha (+3)
                                #46 - Mercyhurst (-2)
                                #47 - Alaska
                                #48 - UMASS (-2)
                                #49 - Mankato
                                #50 - Alabama Huntsville
                                #51 - Union (+1)
                                #52 - Army (-1)
                                #53 - UCONN
                                #54 - Sacred Heart
                                #55 - Bentley
                                #56 - Robert Morris
                                #57 - Canisius
                                #58 - American International
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