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  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

    Originally posted by Rhett View Post
    There wasn't a big point jump from UNH to NMU. Clarkson could still be relatively close.
    Well, I was still going on the 82 point average (which still hasn't been reached), and thought that an NC would have kept Clarkson and UNH next to each other. That's my error.

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      Originally posted by Erix_The_Red View Post
      Boom!
      Feel free to point out errors. Sorry for the formatting
      Some teams dropped from D-I to a lower division, only to return. AIC had the biggest time gap in question, between the ECAC reorganization and MAAC days. I think FS23 said that early incarnations of UMass hockey counted, so they'll need to be divided by a greater number of years. Notre Dame dropped their program for several years in the '80s, IIRC. Some of the oldest programs may have also missed a year here or there early in the 1900's, especially for WWI & WWII years.
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      • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

        Originally posted by Rhett View Post
        There wasn't a big point jump from UNH to NMU. Clarkson could still be relatively close.
        Did I hear a rumor correctly that CCT once had an undefeated regular season, but chose not to participate in the playoffs because of the 3-year eligibility rule where freshmen had been invited to play up for the playoffs 3 years before?

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          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
          At this point we know that winning a title is very important for points.
          But only official ones - the Mythical titles from the pre-NCAA days clearly don't count at all. (why yes, that is when my school racked up lots of wins and records).

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            Originally posted by unofan View Post
            But only official ones - the Mythical titles from the pre-NCAA days clearly don't count at all. (why yes, that is when my school racked up lots of wins and records).
            Good point. Minnesota would have two more titles if that were the case.
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            • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

              Originally posted by unofan View Post
              But only official ones - the Mythical titles from the pre-NCAA days clearly don't count at all. (why yes, that is when my school racked up lots of wins and records).
              Minnesota is in the same boat. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
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                Bowling Green comes in at #17. The Falcons first 18 years were arguably one of the best starts to a program, making 9 trips to the NCAA Tournament, along with 2 to the Frozen Four. Their glory came in the 1984 Tournament when Jerry York lead the Falcons to the NCAA Title, edging Duluth in 4 overtimes. Unfortunately for Bowling Green, the limelight has passed, and Bowling Green is on a downward trend. They have not made the NCAAs since 1990, and haven't had a winning season in nearly 15 years. If they continue this slide, look for Bowling Green to drop out of the top 20 in the next few seasons.

                #17 Bowling Green - 79.7674 Points
                #18 Northern Michigan - 79.3272 Points
                #19 New Hampshire - 77.4096 Points
                #20 Minnesota Duluth - 66.5522 Points
                #21 St. Lawrence - 64.6435 Points
                #22 Providence - 37.9103 Points
                #23 Miami - 36.9575 Points
                #24 Dartmouth - 35.143 Points
                #25 Notre Dame - 33.5788 Points
                #26 Yale - 29.1241 Points
                #27 Colgate - 27.7915 Points
                #28 Northeastern - 24.5696 Points
                #29 Brown - 18.3317 Points
                #30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
                #31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
                #32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
                #33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
                #34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
                #35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
                #36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
                #37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
                #38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
                #39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
                #40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
                #41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
                #42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
                #43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
                #44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
                #45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
                #46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
                #47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
                #48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
                #49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 Points
                #50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
                #51 Army - 1.3604 Points
                #52 Union - 0.6174 Points
                #53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
                #54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
                #55 Bentley - .0279 Points
                #56 Robert Morris - .0245 Points
                #57 Canisius - .0205 Points
                #58 American International - .0061 Points
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                • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                  Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                  Did I hear a rumor correctly that CCT once had an undefeated regular season, but chose not to participate in the playoffs because of the 3-year eligibility rule where freshmen had been invited to play up for the playoffs 3 years before?
                  Clarkson went undefeated in '55-'56 (23-0-0). As for more of the in depth specifics, you would have to ask someone else, but I believe you are at least somewhat close on the details.
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                  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                    that tells me that there's no chance that Tech will be above State. The question then will be if Lake State and Tech are above other schools with only 2 championships.

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                      Originally posted by Rhett View Post
                      Some teams dropped from D-I to a lower division, only to return. AIC had the biggest time gap in question, between the ECAC reorganization and MAAC days. I think FS23 said that early incarnations of UMass hockey counted, so they'll need to be divided by a greater number of years. Notre Dame dropped their program for several years in the '80s, IIRC. Some of the oldest programs may have also missed a year here or there early in the 1900's, especially for WWI & WWII years.
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                        I'm not surprised where NMU landed, playing .500 hockey and winning in '91 keeps us continually as a top 20 program. Just like our PWR, we're always close enough, but never good enough for an invite.
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                          Originally posted by Erix_The_Red View Post
                          I didn't want to do actual work
                          Me niether... that's why my response pointed out errors in general terms... looking up the exact years things happened is FS23's work.
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                          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                            Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                            Clarkson went undefeated in '55-'56 (23-0-0). As for more of the in depth specifics, you would have to ask someone else, but I believe you are at least somewhat close on the details.
                            As I understand it the NCAA did not, at that time, only allowed 3 years eligibility for tournament participants. Clarkson had several freshman play throughout the season, but would not have been allowed to play then during the tournament. Rather than go to the tournament without their freshman, Clarkson declined to participate.

                            My understanding may be a little fuzzy, but I think that's about right.
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                              Originally posted by drshoen View Post
                              As I understand it the NCAA did not, at that time, only allowed 3 years eligibility for tournament participants. Clarkson had several freshman play throughout the season, but would not have been allowed to play then during the tournament. Rather than go to the tournament without their freshman, Clarkson declined to participate.

                              My understanding may be a little fuzzy, but I think that's about right.
                              From the Clarkson Web Site:

                              "Under the guidance of head coach Bill Harrison, the Knights skaters of 1955-56, posted a phenomenal 23-0 record and were Tri-State League Champs. The team was the first Clarkson team to be invited to the NCAA Championships. The Knights, however, refused to go. Clarkson had eight seniors who were four-year varsity players and under NCAA rules were ineligible. The team voted not to go without them and turned down the NCAA bid."

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                                *****http://www.undhockey.net/rpi.jpg******

                                RPI comes in at #16. The Engineers have made 8 trips to the NCAA Tournament, including 5 Frozen Four appearances. Their two most successful runs came in 1954 and 1985. The '85 team being one of the best title teams in history. There has been a bit of a drought for the Engineers, as they haven't made the NCAA Tournament since 1995. That looks to change this year, as RPI has put itself in position to make it back to the NCAA Tournament. If that type of season become a little more common for RPI, perhaps they can move up on this list, but for now, they sit at #16.

                                #16 Rensselaer - 98.2167 Points
                                #17 Bowling Green - 79.7674 Points
                                #18 Northern Michigan - 79.3272 Points
                                #19 New Hampshire - 77.4096 Points
                                #20 Minnesota Duluth - 66.5522 Points
                                #21 St. Lawrence - 64.6435 Points
                                #22 Providence - 37.9103 Points
                                #23 Miami - 36.9575 Points
                                #24 Dartmouth - 35.143 Points
                                #25 Notre Dame - 33.5788 Points
                                #26 Yale - 29.1241 Points
                                #27 Colgate - 27.7915 Points
                                #28 Northeastern - 24.5696 Points
                                #29 Brown - 18.3317 Points
                                #30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
                                #31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
                                #32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
                                #33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
                                #34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
                                #35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
                                #36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
                                #37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
                                #38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
                                #39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
                                #40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
                                #41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
                                #42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
                                #43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
                                #44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
                                #45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
                                #46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
                                #47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
                                #48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
                                #49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 Points
                                #50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
                                #51 Army - 1.3604 Points
                                #52 Union - 0.6174 Points
                                #53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
                                #54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
                                #55 Bentley - .0279 Points
                                #56 Robert Morris - .0245 Points
                                #57 Canisius - .0205 Points
                                #58 American International - .0061 Points
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