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  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    True. But, I'm guessing that he weighted them in such a way that UND's consistency will win out in the end. It all depends. There's 3 or 4 teams that could win something like this all depending on how the numbers are calc'ed.



    True, but Denver had a pretty dry spell in the 80's-90's.
    UND has had its own bad years. I'm guessing Michigan will be #1 and DU and UND will duke it out for #2 and #3.
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      I can pretty much guarantee, that anything done before the time of NCAA championships will be not included in this list, even though it does meet the definition of "All Time". also, I would find a way to somehow include providing players to the amateur age Olympic teams that still had college eligibility, because that greatly hurt some teams that lost these players, and helped out the teams that just relied on over-age pro Canadians. not to mention any names.
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        Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
        UND has had its own bad years. I'm guessing Michigan will be #1 and DU and UND will duke it out for #2 and #3.
        I am loving this thread and I think it's time to guess the top 3 or 4 teams. I think probably Mich will get it, but DU, UND and I also think Minny will be right up there. If you consider how long the program has been around, Minny has a good chance. I also think Harvard and Cornell are going to be right there as well as BU and BC. It's going to be really fun to see the end results!!
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          honestly higher than i thought we'd be. obvious bonus points for our 4 beanpots
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            At least there are no sour grapes here.
            not to mention any names.

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              Originally posted by Erix_The_Red View Post
              I'd hope that championships from seasons with more teams would be worth more, even in an "all-time" list. That's like saying CHA tournamnet champs are worth as much as WCHA, CCHA, or HE championships.
              You could certainly defend that approach. But you could also defend the attitude that those schools simply won when they had the chance. It all depends on how or if FS23 weighted the titles, and either approach could be defended.
              Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
              UND has had its own bad years. I'm guessing Michigan will be #1 and DU and UND will duke it out for #2 and #3.
              I agree. I'd be surprized to see anyone other than Michigan at #1, as it appears titles and NCAA appearances carry a good amount of weight in FS23's formula.
              Originally posted by Happy View Post
              I can pretty much guarantee, that anything done before the time of NCAA championships will be not included in this list, even though it does meet the definition of "All Time". also, I would find a way to somehow include providing players to the amateur age Olympic teams that still had college eligibility, because that greatly hurt some teams that lost these players, and helped out the teams that just relied on over-age pro Canadians. not to mention any names.
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                Originally posted by Erix_The_Red View Post
                I'd hope that championships from seasons with more teams would be worth more, even in an "all-time" list.
                I disagree. It was plenty hard to win NCAA championship in the 1950s and 60s -- just ask the players who played. The talent levels were quite concentrated in the existing teams of the era, making the top teams better and harder to beat. With relative parity you see today, there are more teams and players, but with the talent levels more spread out, it enables more teams to have a chance at winning. The net/net is that winning championships is hard in any era, and that's why the teams who won them need to be rewarded for it, as that's the reason we play. Do we discount Stanley Cups from the Original Six era? Of course not. Beating Montreal or Detroit or Toronto back then was a huge achievement for Chicago, New York or Boston due to talent concentration. I'd argue it could be easier to win a Stanley Cup now with 30 teams competiing.
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                  Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
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                  Brown lands at #29. The Bears have 4 NCAA Appearances, including three trips to the Frozen Four, and an appearance in the title game in 1951. Unfortunately for Brown, it has been nearly 20 years since their last NCAA Tournament. They've also struggled just to post a winning season, only producing 6 winning seasons in their last 30+ seasons. Without more success, expect Brown to fall into the bottom half of programs. For now, they are barely holding on, at #29.

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                  #31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
                  #32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
                  #33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
                  #34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
                  #35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
                  #36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
                  #37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
                  #38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
                  #39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
                  #40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
                  #41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
                  #42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
                  #43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
                  #44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
                  #45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
                  #46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
                  #47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
                  #48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
                  #49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 points
                  #50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
                  #51 Army - 1.3604 points
                  #52 Union - 0.6174 points
                  #53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
                  #54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
                  #55 Bentley - .0279 points
                  #56 Robert Morris - .0245 points
                  #57 Canisius - .0205 points
                  #58 American International - .0061 points
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                  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                    Originally posted by Happy View Post
                    I can pretty much guarantee, that anything done before the time of NCAA championships will be not included in this list, even though it does meet the definition of "All Time". also, I would find a way to somehow include providing players to the amateur age Olympic teams that still had college eligibility, because that greatly hurt some teams that lost these players,.....
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                    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                      Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
                      It all depends on the weighting system. UND will certainly be one of the top teams but if titles are weighted really heavily it could tip the scales in favor of Michigan.
                      Agreed it depends on the weighting system. Depending on just how heavily titles are weighed Minnesota could be higher than some think. Titles are obviously their downfall, but thy are in the top 2 in a lot of catagories
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                      • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                        Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
                        Beating Montreal or Detroit or Toronto back then was a huge achievement for Chicago, New York or Boston due to territorial rights..
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                        • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                          Originally posted by HumRsky View Post
                          Agreed it depends on the weighting system. Depending on just how heavily titles are weighed Minnesota could be higher than some think. Titles are obviously their downfall, but thy are in the top 2 in a lot of catagories
                          UMTC will probably be somewhere in the 4-6 range, as will UW.
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                          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                            Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
                            UMTC will probably be somewhere in the 4-6 range, as will UW.
                            This is for Greatest Programs of ALL Time, not Once Upon a Time.
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                              Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
                              UMTC will probably be somewhere in the 4-6 range, as will UW.
                              Didn't CommAv do this a few years ago and put MN #1? Has anyone gone back and checked to see how his rankings compare?
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                              • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                                Originally posted by SoCalSiouxFan View Post
                                This is for Greatest Programs of ALL Time, not Once Upon a Time.
                                I agree. Brown is ranked too low.
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