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  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

    *****http://www.undhockey.net/vermont.jpg******

    Coming in at #31 is the University of Vermont. The Catamounts have made 5 trips to the NCAA Tournament, and converted two of those trips into Frozen Four appearances. In both trips to the Frozen Four, they came very close to advancing to the title game, barely losing to CC in '96 and pushing BU in '09. Since their switch to Hockey East, Vermont has yet to have a losing season, but that looks to change this season.

    #31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
    #32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
    #33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
    #34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
    #35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
    #36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
    #37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
    #38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
    #39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
    #40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
    #41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
    #42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
    #43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
    #44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
    #45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
    #46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
    #47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
    #48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
    #49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 points
    #50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
    #51 Army - 1.3604 points
    #52 Union - 0.6174 points
    #53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
    #54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
    #55 Bentley - .0279 points
    #56 Robert Morris - .0245 points
    #57 Canisius - .0205 points
    #58 American International - .0061 points
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    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

      Originally posted by Priceless View Post
      Except for Holy Cross and Ferris State

      This list is going to be like Lake Woebegone: Everyone will be above average!


      FWIW, the "average" points is 82.0605. Only 16 teams would be considered "average".
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        Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
        I love how FS23 is so upbeat! Everyone "is just a couple seasons or wins" away from moving up the list!!!
        I can think of a half dozen or so programs that have yet to be listed that have seen better days... I don't want to be the first to step on a hornets nest, but I think they're from NY & UP.
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        • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

          Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post


          FWIW, the "average" points is 82.0605. Only 16 teams would be considered "average".

          3 teams have less than .1 points. Nowhere else BUT up.
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          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

            Originally posted by Rhett View Post
            I can think of a half dozen or so programs that have yet to be listed that have seen better days... I don't want to be the first to step on a hornets nest, but I think they're from NY & UP.
            The top thing heard at one of their games- "Remember when...."

            Funny- I did hockey school during the golden age at one of those programs.

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              Originally posted by alfablue View Post
              3 teams have less than .1 points. Nowhere else BUT up.
              Exactly. 7 teams have less than 1 point. 25 have less than 10.
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                *****http://www.undhockey.net/osu.jpg******

                Ohio State winds up at #30, and the last team in the "bottom half" of programs of all-time. The Buckeyes did not make an NCAA Appearance in their first 30 years, but when they finally did in 1998, they made the most of it. The Buckeyes advanced to the Frozen Four that year, but were unable to duplicate that feat in each of their last 5 appearances. New coach Mark Osiecki is looking to turn this program back around, but for now, the Buckeyes sit in the bottom half of programs all-time.

                #30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
                #31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
                #32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
                #33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
                #34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
                #35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
                #36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
                #37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
                #38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
                #39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
                #40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
                #41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
                #42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
                #43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
                #44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
                #45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
                #46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
                #47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
                #48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
                #49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 points
                #50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
                #51 Army - 1.3604 points
                #52 Union - 0.6174 points
                #53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
                #54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
                #55 Bentley - .0279 points
                #56 Robert Morris - .0245 points
                #57 Canisius - .0205 points
                #58 American International - .0061 points
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                • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                  Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                  *****http://www.undhockey.net/osu.jpg******

                  Ohio State winds up at #30, and the last team in the "bottom half" of programs of all-time. The Buckeyes did not make an NCAA Appearance in their first 30 years, but when they finally did in 1998, they made the most of it. The Buckeyes advanced to the Frozen Four that year, but were unable to duplicate that feat in each of their last 5 appearances. New coach Mark Osiecki is looking to turn this program back around, but for now, the Buckeyes sit in the bottom half of programs all-time.

                  #30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
                  #31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
                  #32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
                  #33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
                  #34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
                  #35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
                  #36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
                  #37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
                  #38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
                  #39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
                  #40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
                  #41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
                  #42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
                  #43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
                  #44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
                  #45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
                  #46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
                  #47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
                  #48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
                  #49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 points
                  #50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
                  #51 Army - 1.3604 points
                  #52 Union - 0.6174 points
                  #53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
                  #54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
                  #55 Bentley - .0279 points
                  #56 Robert Morris - .0245 points
                  #57 Canisius - .0205 points
                  #58 American International - .0061 points
                  Surprised you have Oohi ranked ahead of Vermont considering UVM has 2 FF appearances and a trip to the HE finals a few years ago.

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                  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                    Originally posted by Slasher7 View Post
                    Surprised you have Oohi ranked ahead of Vermont considering UVM has 2 FF appearances and a trip to the HE finals a few years ago.
                    Well, FWIW, I didn't rank the teams. I simply came up with the formula and plugged in the information that it needed. Ohio State does have an extra NCAA appearance, along with a better winning percentage. They also have played more difficult competition throughout their history than Vermont.
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                    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                      Originally posted by Slasher7 View Post
                      Surprised you have Oohi ranked ahead of Vermont considering UVM has 2 FF appearances and a trip to the HE finals a few years ago.
                      I think it will be interesting to see how the calculation comes out. It may be FS23's opinion how the calculation happens, but once the data is input, it appears that there isn't a change.

                      What I'm interested in seeing is calculation. He's posted that the average score is 82, but we see the score of the middle teams is ~18-19. And the lowest is well below 1. So that means that the top teams have a whole lot of points. I'd be willing to bet that NC's will have the most points, so currently poor Michigan Tech may be above a currently good Maine because 3>1. Or Tech will be waaaay above teams like Miami or Yale, since 3>>>0. but that's speculation. (and would imply that owls... will have to wait a while for State)

                      Wait until Harvard is higher than Yale... that will be funny. And I'll bet it does.

                      Actually, almost close for dead Bowling Green will be higher than Miami.
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                      • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                        Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                        I'd be willing to bet that NC's will have the most points, so currently poor Michigan Tech may be above a currently good Maine because 3>1.
                        That would make sense in an all-time ranking though, because NC's from 40-50 years ago would carry just as much weight as an NC from last year. As would total victories.
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                          Originally posted by ecbrevik View Post
                          That would make sense in an all-time ranking though, because NC's from 40-50 years ago would carry just as much weight as an NC from last year. As would total victories.
                          What seems to really make this whole work tough is that FS23 is doing a year by year version of team ranking- so that who you played in 1948 is very significant. It's pretty cool how much effort he's put into this.

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                          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

                            Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                            I think it will be interesting to see how the calculation comes out. It may be FS23's opinion how the calculation happens, but once the data is input, it appears that there isn't a change.

                            What I'm interested in seeing is calculation. He's posted that the average score is 82, but we see the score of the middle teams is ~18-19. And the lowest is well below 1. So that means that the top teams have a whole lot of points. I'd be willing to bet that NC's will have the most points, so currently poor Michigan Tech may be above a currently good Maine because 3>1. Or Tech will be waaaay above teams like Miami or Yale, since 3>>>0. but that's speculation. (and would imply that owls... will have to wait a while for State)

                            Wait until Harvard is higher than Yale... that will be funny. And I'll bet it does.

                            Actually, almost close for dead Bowling Green will be higher than Miami.
                            I actually would expect Yale to be in the next 2-3 teams listed.
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                              Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                              Icurrently poor Michigan Tech may be above a currently good Maine because 3>1.
                              And 3>2

                              Originally posted by ecbrevik View Post
                              That would make sense in an all-time ranking though, because NC's from 40-50 years ago would carry just as much weight as an NC from last year. As would total victories.
                              I'd hope that championships from seasons with more teams would be worth more, even in an "all-time" list. That's like saying CHA tournamnet champs are worth as much as WCHA, CCHA, or HE championships.
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                                Originally posted by bigblue_dl View Post
                                I actually would expect Yale to be in the next 2-3 teams listed.
                                It'd actually be pretty funny if Yale actually ended up #27.

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