Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Maybe these schools can join the Big Ten Hockey Conference...
Just aint gonna happen...
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Originally posted by busterman62 View PostAnyone care to wager how long it will take for the NC$$ to rule this nickname as "hostile and abusive?"
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Originally posted by moose97 View Postthe Clan (great nickname, BTW)
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Originally posted by MikeAnderson View PostLike I say, I have no idea what, if any, new standards will be placed on existing Division I programs. It wouldn't shock me to see something along the lines of the FBS attendance standards being put in place (focusing obviously on some other department-wide metrics).
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Originally posted by bigmrg74 View PostSo, whats the word on them actually getting tough on schools that should have stayed D2 in the first place?? Like Savannah State and New Jersey Tech??
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Originally posted by MikeAnderson View PostFrom what I've heard, the current thinking is that the following conditions will be placed on potential Division I classifiers once the moratorium is lifted:
1) A $1 million application fee (refundable, minus costs, if not accepted).
2) Conference affiliation will be mandatory (so count on another $1-2 million in application fees there).
3) All sports must have scholarships funded to a minimum of 75% of possible equivilancies. To put this in perspective, at 100% of Division II levels you're not even at 50% of Division I.
4) The school must sponsor a minimum of 14 sports, including seven women's sports (this has not changed from previous requirements).
It's still being bandied about in committees, so nothing is in stone yet, but ANYONE moving to Division I is going to find the going extremely difficult. New D1 programs will have to be serious about things.
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Um, guys...
Simon Fraser doesn't offer hockey as a varsity sport. If we're going to test the "play-up" moratorium for a hockey program, it's going to have to be a different school.
I'm interested, though, to see if anyone follows SFU.
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Originally posted by MikeAnderson View PostI should clarify that these standards are for new programs, not existing. The point is that the programs making the jump have to be serious about it.
Obviously there would be standing exceptions for the Ivy League and the service academies should these standards be passed on to existing programs as a condition of retaining their Division I status.
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Originally posted by Patman View PostThere's going to have to be some major qualifiers to that considering the Ivy League... and i have to wonder how they're going to treat single sport programs... especially with hockey.
I can understand that the number of D1 schools is getting to be a bit much but I can already look at this and say that one of UConn hockey or UConn baseball would be dropped under such an initiative. UConn's not exactly a small time school.
Obviously there would be standing exceptions for the Ivy League and the service academies should these standards be passed on to existing programs as a condition of retaining their Division I status.
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Originally posted by MikeAnderson View PostFrom what I've heard, the current thinking is that the following conditions will be placed on potential Division I classifiers once the moratorium is lifted:
1) A $1 million application fee (refundable, minus costs, if not accepted).
2) Conference affiliation will be mandatory (so count on another $1-2 million in application fees there).
3) All sports must have scholarships funded to a minimum of 75% of possible equivilancies. To put this in perspective, at 100% of Division II levels you're not even at 50% of Division I.
4) The school must sponsor a minimum of 14 sports, including seven women's sports (this has not changed from previous requirements).
It's still being bandied about in committees, so nothing is in stone yet, but ANYONE moving to Division I is going to find the going extremely difficult. New D1 programs will have to be serious about things.
I can understand that the number of D1 schools is getting to be a bit much but I can already look at this and say that one of UConn hockey or UConn baseball would be dropped under such an initiative. UConn's not exactly a small time school.
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
From what I've heard, the current thinking is that the following conditions will be placed on potential Division I classifiers once the moratorium is lifted:
1) A $1 million application fee (refundable, minus costs, if not accepted).
2) Conference affiliation will be mandatory (so count on another $1-2 million in application fees there).
3) All sports must have scholarships funded to a minimum of 75% of possible equivilancies. To put this in perspective, at 100% of Division II levels you're not even at 50% of Division I.
4) The school must sponsor a minimum of 14 sports, including seven women's sports (this has not changed from previous requirements).
It's still being bandied about in committees, so nothing is in stone yet, but ANYONE moving to Division I is going to find the going extremely difficult. New D1 programs will have to be serious about things.
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Originally posted by uwbadgers14 View PostWell it doesn't matter how long it would take...
Moose
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Originally posted by moose97 View PostOkay, let's go through the time-line:
'11-'12 - finish two year provisional D-II membership
As there is currently a moritorium on "playing-up" in any sport, let's say that that get's repealed when it expires in 2011. Simon Frasier still wouldn't be able to apply to play-up in hockey until '11-'12 (this, not to mention that SFU does not have a varsity hockey program at the moment - just a non-university sponsored club team), and even at that, the Clan (great nickname, BTW) would have another period of D-I provisional membership for the hockey team. Bottem line? SFU hockey (let alone Univ. Brittish Columbia, or any other Canadian University) is at least five to ten years off (if not more - much more).
Moose
Not to mention if college hockey was going to make a significant expantion, canada would have to get involved for it to work BECAUSE, if only US schools got involved you would end up with more average to below average teams because you wouldn't be getting more canadian talent. IF canada got involved you would be dipping into a new talent pool. Years down the line you would have kids growing up wanting to play for there university (like in the states) rather then wanting to play major junior.
The idea of more canadian university's and US university's having hockey is good for the game. I understand, a lot of traditional college hockey fans don't want to see a bunch of new teams in the mix. They are content with college hockey being a tier 2 sport. But those of us who feel that although college hockey will likely never reach NCAABB or NCAA football status. I would like to see the sport grow and reach more people because even if you are a casual hockey fan, the atmosphere at a packed college hockey arena is something any college sports fan will appreciate.
Bottom line and I have stated this before, i have taken the most casual hockey fans, even friends from SC who have never seen a hockey game on TV much less live, i have taken them to a Wisconsin hockey game, now they are fans for life, they watch the games online, Travel here once a year for the Minny series. So I dont' want to hear anyone tell me there is not room for growth in college hockey because I have seen it happen...
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Great for SFU.
Would love to see more Canadian schools playing in the NCAA, and hopefully, someday in D-I. With Title IX and high start-up costs conspiring to restrict the growth of college hockey stateside, the upside of adding more hockey savvy, established programs to our sport is a compelling alternative to the no-growth, (and some might say decline) of the college game.
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Re: Canadian College into NCAA Div 2
Okay, let's go through the time-line:
'11-'12 - finish two year provisional D-II membership
As there is currently a moritorium on "playing-up" in any sport, let's say that that get's repealed when it expires in 2011. Simon Frasier still wouldn't be able to apply to play-up in hockey until '11-'12 (this, not to mention that SFU does not have a varsity hockey program at the moment - just a non-university sponsored club team), and even at that, the Clan (great nickname, BTW) would have another period of D-I provisional membership for the hockey team. Bottem line? SFU hockey (let alone Univ. Brittish Columbia, or any other Canadian University) is at least five to ten years off (if not more - much more).
Moose
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