Maximum games per season in Div I?

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: Maximum games per season in Div I?

If you really want to see the online source, it is in Bylaw 17.12.5.3 (pages 273-274) in the NCAA Division I Manual: http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/D111.pdf.

The game limit is 34. The following games do not count against the 34-game limit, but do count in official NCAA Statistics and Records--
* Hockey Hall of Fame Game--a single fundraising game conducted every year
* Ice Breaker Tournament--a single 4-team, 2-game tournament conducted every year
* Any game played in Hawaii or Alaska--only by a school from outside those states against a school inside that state
* Conference championship tournament
* NCAA tournament

Also not counting against the 34-game limit, and not counting in NCAA statistics--
* Home game against a foreign team, such as a Canadian University or a foreign national team--limit one
* One away tour against foreign teams--limit one tour every four years.
* US National Teams--a single game per year against any US National Team (e.g., Olympic Team, World Junior Team, Under-18 Development Team, etc.)
* "Alumni game" (exhibition of current players vs alumni of the school)--limit one
* Certain other charity game activities are also permitted, but generally may not involve the entire team.

Typically, a team will play about 34-38 regular-season games plus 1-2 exhibitions. Teams rarely play more than 8-10 playoff games, so I would be surprised if any team has managed to play 50 games in a season (counting exhibitions) since the basic limit was lowered from 38 to 34.

What about games against D-III teams?

Dartmouth will host D-III Norwich in late October 2011 in Hanover. I know it doesn't count against Norwich's 25-game limit but does it have any different effects for Dartmouth?

[FlagDUDE08]

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More on the ECAC-Hockey East split:

COLLEGE HOCKEY; Unification Considered by Two Leagues The New York Times - November 09, 1988

Thank you for the explanations. As for Maine, you can keep them, unless you want Q-Pac, and Dartmouth doesn't mind the travel partnering.

[ClOuD 9]

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More on the ECAC-Hockey East split:

The original split came over the issue of athletic scholarships, which Hockey East teams grant and most Eastern College Athletic Conference schools do not, and academic standards, with the influential Ivy League academic deans recommending a divorce.

COLLEGE HOCKEY; Unification Considered by Two Leagues The New York Times - November 09, 1988

[FreddyFoyle]

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Thanks Alton ... that's exactly the kind of documentation I was looking for, but couldn't find.

[Happy]

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It would seem that the NCAA in their infinite wisdom would regulate OOC games. In terms of PWR playing more OOC games could provide an advantage. Being able to play 12 OOC as a non-ivy ECAC team would seem to be a boon for decent teams (I know it's the ECAC, but for illustration purposes) it would seem to be beneficial. Maybe not, maybe I'm not thinking clearly at 7:30 a.m. .....

There is no reason for the NCAA to get involved with scheduling. bad idea. They would screw it up way beyond any reasonable plan you had.

[ClOuD 9]

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I didn't know the Hockey East schism was because of number of games...

In addition to the rumored split of the Ivy League schools from the ECAC. The ECAC went to three divisions in '79: Ivy (self-explanatory), West (Clarkson, 'Gate, RPI, SLU, UVM), and East (BC, BU, Maine, UNH, NU, PC) - the West having one less team probably didn't help the scheduling issues either. Interestingly, while BC, BU, UNH, NU and PC all left in June, the University of Maine waited until the fall to depart - is it too late to give them back?

I'd be interested to read more on this if anyone could provide some links as this was all before my time.

[FlagDUDE08]

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The Hell Ya Say... Hawaii huh... Well WHEN the BTHC comes about I am more than for a nice Hawaiian vacation for Minnesota, No Dak, Sconi, and Hawaii if they had a team around Christmas time :P

Dirty's more likely to get his AIC jersey.

I didn't know the Hockey East schism was because of number of games... I guess I could see that if only western teams would count towards non-conference (and the MAAC is, well, the MAAC).

[GopherBigGuy911]

Re: Maximum games per season in Div I?

If you really want to see the online source, it is in Bylaw 17.12.5.3 (pages 273-274) in the NCAA Division I Manual: http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/D111.pdf.

The game limit is 34. The following games do not count against the 34-game limit, but do count in official NCAA Statistics and Records--
* Hockey Hall of Fame Game--a single fundraising game conducted every year
* Ice Breaker Tournament--a single 4-team, 2-game tournament conducted every year
* Any game played in Hawaii or Alaska--only by a school from outside those states against a school inside that state
* Conference championship tournament
* NCAA tournament

Also not counting against the 34-game limit, and not counting in NCAA statistics--
* Home game against a foreign team, such as a Canadian University or a foreign national team--limit one
* One away tour against foreign teams--limit one tour every four years.
* US National Teams--a single game per year against any US National Team (e.g., Olympic Team, World Junior Team, Under-18 Development Team, etc.)
* "Alumni game" (exhibition of current players vs alumni of the school)--limit one
* Certain other charity game activities are also permitted, but generally may not involve the entire team.

Typically, a team will play about 34-38 regular-season games plus 1-2 exhibitions. Teams rarely play more than 8-10 playoff games, so I would be surprised if any team has managed to play 50 games in a season (counting exhibitions) since the basic limit was lowered from 38 to 34.

The Hell Ya Say... Hawaii huh... Well WHEN the BTHC comes about I am more than for a nice Hawaiian vacation for Minnesota, No Dak, Sconi, and Hawaii if they had a team around Christmas time :P

[Alton]

Re: Maximum games per season in Div I?

If you really want to see the online source, it is in Bylaw 17.12.5.3 (pages 273-274) in the NCAA Division I Manual: http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/D111.pdf.

The game limit is 34. The following games do not count against the 34-game limit, but do count in official NCAA Statistics and Records--
* Hockey Hall of Fame Game--a single fundraising game conducted every year
* Ice Breaker Tournament--a single 4-team, 2-game tournament conducted every year
* Any game played in Hawaii or Alaska--only by a school from outside those states against a school inside that state
* Conference championship tournament
* NCAA tournament

Also not counting against the 34-game limit, and not counting in NCAA statistics--
* Home game against a foreign team, such as a Canadian University or a foreign national team--limit one
* One away tour against foreign teams--limit one tour every four years.
* US National Teams--a single game per year against any US National Team (e.g., Olympic Team, World Junior Team, Under-18 Development Team, etc.)
* "Alumni game" (exhibition of current players vs alumni of the school)--limit one
* Certain other charity game activities are also permitted, but generally may not involve the entire team.

Typically, a team will play about 34-38 regular-season games plus 1-2 exhibitions. Teams rarely play more than 8-10 playoff games, so I would be surprised if any team has managed to play 50 games in a season (counting exhibitions) since the basic limit was lowered from 38 to 34.

[FlagDUDE08]

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It would seem that the NCAA in their infinite wisdom would regulate OOC games. In terms of PWR playing more OOC games could provide an advantage. Being able to play 12 OOC as a non-ivy ECAC team would seem to be a boon for decent teams (I know it's the ECAC, but for illustration purposes) it would seem to be beneficial. Maybe not, maybe I'm not thinking clearly at 7:30 a.m. .....

In our current OOC economy, having such an imbalance isn't necessarily a good thing, as we do find ourselves playing each other to fill the gaps. Granted Clarkson and SLU will almost always play at least one OOC game at a neutral site, RPI and Union started doing this recently as "a tune-up for league play", but something like the Governor's Cup was almost always ECAC non-ivies (except the final year when Robert Morris played; Clarkson was SUPPOSED to play but didn't). I can't remember what the CHA teams did when they had 18 NC games.

BTW jcarter, remember your team's situation 6 years ago.

[jcarter7669]

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It would seem that the NCAA in their infinite wisdom would regulate OOC games. In terms of PWR playing more OOC games could provide an advantage. Being able to play 12 OOC as a non-ivy ECAC team would seem to be a boon for decent teams (I know it's the ECAC, but for illustration purposes) it would seem to be beneficial. Maybe not, maybe I'm not thinking clearly at 7:30 a.m. .....

[kdiff77]

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I assume the ivy league rule is quite old and was grandfathered for all sports, although I'd defer further information on that to someone who actually supports an ivy league team.

Pretty much. The Ivy League has all these completely useless rules that end up being nothing more than hindrances. In particular, fans of Ivy League football have been outraged forever because the teams are not allowed to participate in the playoffs, even the champion, and each team is limited to just ten games. Because of this, and because there is no mini tournament within the league, nothing outside of conference play matters. So really, you play seven meaningful games a year, and most teams' seasons are effectively over by late October. The reason given for not wanting playoffs is that they would conflict with exams- but so do hockey games and basketball games played in December, as do the lacrosse playoffs in the spring (Cornell can tell you about this- I believe they had exams on the day of a NCAA Tournament game last season).

While hockey's rules aren't quite so stupid, it still hurts our abilities to recruit good players when the Ivy teams only play 29 games a year, as opposed to the 34+ that almost everyone else does. Ivy basketball also has a limit on games played, and there is no league tournament at the conclusion of the season even though literally every other conference has one.

I appreciate that we want to maintain the importance of academics by not granting athletic scholarships, but I simply do not understand the aforementioned rules which seem to do nothing but deem our league as irrelevant. Luckily, hockey has been able to maintain relevancy through the years, but the basketball and football programs have both collectively suffered.

[LynahFan]

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Were they playing NCAA or European teams? If they were playing European teams, they were likely exhibition games, which are not counted towards the limit.

RPI played UVM two years ago at the Pavilion de la Jeunesse in Quebec, I don't know how the rules work out for that game.

IIRC, there's an explicit NCAA rule relating to Euro tours - I believe schools are only allowed a certain number of games per trip, and only allowed to do one such trip per four years (so that each player nominally can only go once, except for red-shirts, etc).

[FreddyFoyle]

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Until a few years ago the CIS used to be full of traditional divisions by geography. Thus the AUS had two divisions, the OUA four, and Canada West two. Just about everyone made the playoffs. Then the AUS combined the teams in one division, gave first round playoff byes to the top two teams and dropped the final two teams from playoffs. This has certainly enhanced the competitiveness of the AUS in my opinion. The OUA was experiencing growth, and unbalanced divisions on a competitive basis, so they reorganized in two divisions and basically forced the weaker teams to play more outside of their little division. This is still a work in progress. The weak sisters haven't been that more competitive, and have been overshadowed by the expansion teams. A couple of years ago Canada West followed the AUS model, only they drop the bottom 3 teams (out of 7 in the conference) from the playoffs. I thought this would make them more competitive, but some coaches out there tell me it is worse because you can feel you've been eliminated by Christmas if you have a slow start.

Btw, if you are interested, here is last season's standings by conference in the CIS. Despite UNB's record season last year, they were upset in the AUS playoffs and Saint Mary's went on to win their first ever CIS hockey championship against Alberta.

[davyd83]

Re: Maximum games per season in Div I?

There are 34 games allowed. Exemptions are granted for games in Alaska, the Hall of Fame game and the Ice Breaker. Wisconsin plays 2 at Alaska-Anchorage this year and played in the IceBreaker and will play 38 regular season games this year.