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  • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

    Originally posted by limey View Post
    Fact: That jersey was a gift from someone who thought it was funny. I think its funny too.

    What you've proven is not only are you obsessed with BU, but also have upgraded it to a stalker-level with respect to some of their fans.
    Ooh! Limey's out of rehab.
    Originally posted by mookie1995
    bc is superior to bu in nearly everything. while it is sad that it has come to it, it's the truth. if bu doesn't like it, improve.
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    Originally Posted by Dirty
    Why is anyone surprised that Old Pio is acting like a grumpy old f^ck? He is a grumpy old f^ck.

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    • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

      Ah yes, the annual "Let's discuss the Dog Pound" part of the season. I thought the Dog Pound actually made some nice strides last season by capitalizing on the national championship hysteria. There's no doubt in my mind that played a huge role in filling 108 and bridging the gap in intensity between 118 and 108. Then they introduced the "Goalie... Sieve" back and forth, which I love and think should be used at every game. So I definitely disagree with the idea that his has been a two-year thing. I actually thought last year was the best the Dog Pound has been in my four years here (with the probable exception of the stretch run to the national title, which explains itself).

      As far as things taking a downturn this year, I don't want to make excuses for the leaders because I do think there's been a lack of creativity and originality this year, but honestly, that's to be expected when the team's coming off a down year. When BU was undefeated earlier in the season, I was more disappointed by the fact that not all the student sections were full than I was by the lack of new cheers. I imagine it's pretty hard to introduce new cheers early in the season because at that point, you're just trying to teach the freshmen the basics.

      As the season goes along, you can obviously start adding stuff (I believe the call and answer mentioned above was a mid-season thing), but only if the interest from the casual fan is there. Just from being around campus, I get the impression that a lot of students are just going to games because it's something to do, not because they're super excited to cheer on the team. The stretch run two years ago, they were. The beginning of last season, they were. Maybe if the team finishes strong and wins a game in NCAAs, they will be again next year. But I just don't think it's there right now, and I think that's evidenced by the fact BU only had 3, maybe 3.5, sections of students at the Beanpot.

      I don't really know how much or how little the leaders have tried adding to the repertoire this year, but it's gotta be tough to get anything going when 75% (or whatever arbitrary number you wanna pick) of the students there aren't all that enthusiastic about the team.
      Last edited by Federal League; 02-09-2011, 04:17 PM.
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      • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

        Originally posted by TommyNoblesIsLife View Post
        and the only cheers the leader starts is "Go BU" or "Let's go Terriers."
        Your comments about 108 are very true, and a lot of that has to do with the advent of leaders in that section, where there previously hadn't been, namely one poster on here with a funny name.

        However, your comment above is wholly incorrect. While these two may be the only ones that largely catch on amongst everyone else, there isn't a lack of original cheers that fall on deaf ears because few people get it/care to get it/want to join in. One example from the Lowell game, I heard a "We Want Doogles" chant that caught on to about 20 people then died, despite the fact that Doug "Doogles" Carr started the game UML played at HAA last fall, and the entire game was called Doogles. Not something terribly hard to remember. Another example, Monday night, a "T-shirt Time" chant at the superfans caught on to about 20 people again, then fell on deaf ears. How, I'm not sure. The subsequent T-shirt Time-Jersey Time point cheer also died. Heck, even at the HE semis last year against Maine, a lot of people apparently forgot who Darling was and ignored his song, even though he played both games at Agganis a month previous! I know you're up in the press box a lot of the time and it can be hard to hear the stuff that dies, but calling out leaders in 118 for lack of creativity is missing the core of the problem, which can be found in the "few people get it/care to get it/want to join in."
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        • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

          Originally posted by Federal League View Post
          Just from being around campus, I get the impression that a lot of students are just going to games because it's something to do, not because they're super excited to cheer on the team. The stretch run two years ago, they were. The beginning of last season, they were. Maybe if the team finishes strong and wins a game in NCAAs, they will be again next year. But I just don't think it's there right now, and I think that's evidenced by the fact BU only had 3, maybe 3.5, sections of students at the Beanpot.

          I don't really know how much or how little the leaders have tried adding to the repertoire this year, but it's gotta be tough to get anything going when 75% (or whatever arbitrary number you wanna pick) of the students there aren't all that enthusiastic about the team.
          The whole "students aren't interested" thing for me doesn't really work as an argument. I have many friends who came to BU and did not know a thing about hockey. They came to hockey games originally because I and some of my friends dragged them there, and then they kept coming because they had so much fun at the games. The student section that year (it was mainly only 118 . . . 108 hadn't been born yet) was witty and sarcastic. They may not have been able to keep up with the game on the ice, but they enjoyed taking part in the cheers 118 started. If it takes a national championship caliber hockey team to create at strong student section, then why have teams like Maine and UMass and Northeastern consistently had loud student sections? Why is Northeastern more witty than BU fans at the Beanpot every year?

          I have multiple friends who sit in 118 and have been sitting there for two seasons now, and they were unaware until this editorial came out that there are leaders of the Dog Pound. That's a pretty bad sign if you ask me.

          I think the leaders are certainly trying, but I think they need to reach out to the average fan more. Understand that most fans won't remember things like calling Carr Doogles. Ask people before the game (through Facebook or something) to come up with witty cheers, and then actually start those cheers at games. Be louder than everybody else in the section so that everybody can hear you starting the suggested cheers on the Dirty Laundry, and I bet people will join in.
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          • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

            Originally posted by TommyNoblesIsLife View Post
            The whole "students aren't interested" thing for me doesn't really work as an argument. I have many friends who came to BU and did not know a thing about hockey. They came to hockey games originally because I and some of my friends dragged them there, and then they kept coming because they had so much fun at the games. The student section that year (it was mainly only 118 . . . 108 hadn't been born yet) was witty and sarcastic. They may not have been able to keep up with the game on the ice, but they enjoyed taking part in the cheers 118 started. If it takes a national championship caliber hockey team to create at strong student section, then why have teams like Maine and UMass and Northeastern consistently had loud student sections? Why is Northeastern more witty than BU fans at the Beanpot every year?
            First, don't make the mistake of thinking BU games at UMass and NU are anything like the average game there. Those schools are lucky if their student sections are half full when someone other BU or BC is in town.

            Second, Maine is a standard 99% of student sections in any sport are going to fall short of in terms of organization. And one of the reasons it's so organized is because it's much smaller than BU's student section. A lot easier to coordinate when you have half as many bodies (that's an estimate, but I think a pretty good one).

            Third, I don't really know why NU is better than BU at the Beanpot in recent years (note the word "recent," not "every"- I remember going to the Beanpot as a kid and never even noticing the Doghouse, if it was even around then). Better leaders? More to drink before the game? Who knows.

            Fourth, it does take a national championship caliber team to elevate the student section to another level, especially at a place with the history that BU has. NU's students were phenomenal night in, night out two years ago because their team was first in HE and one of the top-ranked teams in the country. Where were they before that year? Where have they gone since? BC is just now starting to get a very good student section after winning three national titles in the last 10 years. Even last year and the year before, it was mediocre at best. Maine, as I mentioned above, is something of an anomaly, but even they haven't been selling out every game the last few years (although that has more to do with the general population than the students).

            BU still has one of the best and one of the biggest student sections in HE, especially if you look at the whole season and not just one or two big games. They're better than UNH, which is probably a pretty good comparison given the size of the student section and the fact that hockey is also their No. 1 sport. Overall, I think you'd have a tough time arguing that any student section other than Maine's is definitively better. NU's is at the Beanpot, BC's might be catching up, but it's not like BU has just a run-of-the-mill student section now.

            Could it be better? It could always be better. Is it as loud or as crazy as it was at WBA? Nope, and it never will be. But that doesn't make it bad. And yes, being a national title contender (whether we're talking two years ago or perhaps next year) makes a big difference.
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            • I thought 118 was as big, loud and electric as it has ever been before the first BC game this year. Then the team laid an egg and that bubble burst.

              Now, there is too much silent standing around when some yelling/jumping/pointing/turning is called for. If everyone else around you is twirling around in their seat, then DO IT! You're gonna look like a dope either way, so you might as well all look like the same kind of dope. Far too many pockets of disinterested student fans this year.
              Go BU!

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              • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

                RE: This whole student thing

                Have opposing team specific chants been started as much as previous years? No. Part of that has to do with what slurpees said, part is leaderships fault, you can't be upset that a chant didn't catch on if you only chant it once).

                Part of the section's mentioned droppoff since 08-09 certainly had to do with the performance on the ice, part had to do with a great group of dedicated seniors leaving, and specifically a couple leaders (one who had the benefit of being a BU student for like 9 years) but you also has to keep in mind how many "routine" chants seemed new when you were actually immersed in that environment for the first time, chants that are boring by the time your a senior were funny enough to make you laugh as a freshman.

                As for the article complaining that there aren't leaders to "approve" chants and "maintain order." I adamantly believe the exact opposite of the author. I want anyone and everyone to start a chant, that's how chants started back before facebook groups and email lists after all. So at the Beanpot two people start a chant at the same time, big deal, one will be louder and take over, or both will clash and die, but a third fan would start another chant right after. My freshman year I heard numerous complaints from seniors about how a former student acted as a King of the student section (exact same word Shep requested we have) and how much his presence decreased their enjoyment.

                We don't need an iconic figure in costume, we show up to support our team and watch hockey, not to seek the King of the Dog Pound's approval.

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                • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

                  Also forgot to mention how great the rise of 108 has been, going to games before I was a student there wasn't even a thought in my mind about where I would sit (stand) when I became a student. 108 was half empty (on a good day) of students who would not stand up unless they had to leave the seating bowl. And while the success of 08-09 brought additional fans out if it wasn't for people actively wanting to be in the "worse" student section and lead chants it would have likely have returned to students sitting in silence in the following years. I doubt freshman now can even picture HAA with a red headed step child of a student section in 108. You know who you are, Kudos!

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                  • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

                    Agreed. The leader in 108 has done a tremendous job. I was in 108 my freshman year and it sucked. I and my friend I got season tickets with sophomore year made a point to get them in 118 because that was the "real student section." I think it's safe to say 108 now qualifies as a real student section as well, which adds to my point that TommyNobles might be exaggerating how much worse BU students have gotten. I think the improvement in 108 is much greater than any decline 118 has experience.
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                    • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

                      Originally posted by Federal League View Post
                      Agreed. The leader in 108 has done a tremendous job. I was in 108 my freshman year and it sucked. I and my friend I got season tickets with sophomore year made a point to get them in 118 because that was the "real student section." I think it's safe to say 108 now qualifies as a real student section as well, which adds to my point that TommyNobles might be exaggerating how much worse BU students have gotten. I think the improvement in 108 is much greater than any decline 118 has experience.
                      i've sat in 108 for my one and a half years here at bu, never realized that 108 had been slacking in years prior. kudos, as the rest have said, to the leader of 108 (who i won't embarrass by calling out on here). the problem, of course, with having the section be full of freshmen/inexperienced hockey fans is that it's tough to maintain chants, keep noise up, etc.

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                      • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

                        Originally posted by DaveStPaul View Post
                        Hey, a little compassion for Slasher, please. If he had a girl, a guy, something, he wouldn't have to keep popping up. He's like the neighborhood kid who keeps knocking on our door because it's so ugly back home. It's pretty sad, but the right thing to do is let him watch TV for a while. Have a cookie, Slasher. Poor guy.
                        you and limey are really taking this last loss hard. i just want to say: dont worry, buddy; only 363 more days until another crack at that next national title.
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                        • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

                          Originally posted by SteveF View Post
                          you and limey are really taking this last loss hard. i just want to say: dont worry, buddy; only 363 more days until another crack at that next national title.
                          Steve! I knew you hadn't forgotten us.

                          363 days until the next national title? You're now the most optimistic poster on this thread.
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                          • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

                            It sounds to me that instead of confronting the 118 issue, we are just pumping up 108 to compensate. it is great that 108 has become such a big presense at games and it has really enhanced the atmosphere. trust me, there are few things i love more than a "goalie-sieve" call and response. that doesnt change the fact that the experience in 118 is not what it was a few years ago. i have had people come up to me on multiple occassions and tell me this. like tommynoble, ive had people that i do not know ask me who the leader is. perhaps some of us were spoiled by very strong and vocal leaders. i think that there are always improvements that can be made and this editorial gives the student section a great opportunity to try and work something new in or revamp some of the older traditions that have kind of weeded their way out.

                            that was a pretty poorly written editorial, i agree. And his example of the Beanpot was just awful. But the overall experience isnt what it was last year or the year before. So the only thing to do is take this chance to make some improvements. The team is making adjustments and has improved their game quite a bit in the last few weeks, so the student section can probably do the same.
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                            • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

                              correct me if im wrong, im not a bu student, but there is no leader and bb411 and tommynobles are upset with how it is being run? why cant one of you lead it, or both of you together. start some fun new chants and everyone else would join in

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                              • Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

                                Great game Monday night, I thought that for bigger parts of the game BU outplayed BC. But as far as the beanpot goes, I think that it is good that BU won't win it this year. In the beanpot BC is the lesser of two evils, no whopefully NU can pull this game out and make the beanpot interesting again.
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