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  • #676
    Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

    Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    Do you really think Comcast in Minnesota would not lose a ton of subscribers if they only way they could watch gopher hockey was BTN and Comcast decided not to carry it? How many subscribers did DishNetwork lose this fall over FSN North?
    I have changed carriers twice over the loss of Gopher hockey coverage, once from Comcast to Dish, once from Dish to Direct.

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    • #677
      Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

      Originally posted by SOTA View Post
      Frank The Tank:

      I think you make some very good points. I do think you're undervaluing Minnesota from a Big Ten Network perspective a bit by just looking at the success of the football & basketball programs on a national level rather than the market it delivers with the subscribers in the Minneapolis/St. Paul & suburban market. Just my thought, though.

      I do question one thing: do you think the BTN will realistically be able to add to subscriber fees simply because of hockey? In economic times like this, I could see people scraping it because of increased fees. Even though .10 is really nothing in the big scheme of things, it's more the principal and the collective attitude of "higher rates? Screw cable/satellite." I don't see hockey bringing in as many new subscribers as the BTN does.....but then again, they know a lot more regarding what they're talking about considering the success that they've had.
      Yes, you are correct that Minnesota does bring value to the BTN with its home state households (so it's fair to point out that I've undervalued them from that perspective).

      I partially addressed this in another post, but increasing subscriber fees won't happen *simply* because of hockey. It's looking at the BTN as a collective. Does having Gopher football, basketball and hockey make it a tad more valuable in its home market than just Gopher football and basketball alone? Can we apply the same analysis in Wisconsin and Michigan? Once we add that all up, does it justify an increase in rates? Note that it's not individual people that decide to buy the BTN (it's not like HBO), but rather the cable company deciding whether it's worth it to pay up for the BTN for its entire subscriber base or risk losing too many customers. In that sense, more events that people care passionately about is better and provides more leverage in those negotiations.

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      • #678
        Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

        Originally posted by Almington View Post
        That sounds kinda fun, where do I sign up?
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        • #679
          Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

          Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
          Do you really think Comcast in Minnesota would not lose a ton of subscribers if they only way they could watch gopher hockey was BTN and Comcast decided not to carry it? How many subscribers did DishNetwork lose this fall over FSN North?
          Comcast carries both FSN & BTN though......BTN isn't going to be gaining any subscribers.

          With Dish & FSN, FSN has a combo of Wild, Wolves & Gophers, not to mention the Twins if it dragged on into the spring. They're playing a different game.

          I don't think BTN is going to be leaving the Comcast regular lineup even if rates increased from the BTN side, but I could see people scrapping Comcast if they're fed up with increased fees. Other avenues for money to be spent on in life.
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          • #680
            Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

            Originally posted by Almington View Post
            No he didn't. He explained how the BTN adds revenue to the schools, not how the BTHC is going to increase revenue.
            By saying to Charter in Madison, hey we added hockey and your fans can only see these games on our network and we need .15 per month per household more.

            No way is Charter gonna eliminate the BTN.

            Even in Milwaukee where Badger Hockey is less popular, they're going to pay more to keep football and hoops.

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            • #681
              Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

              Originally posted by Gurtholfin View Post
              By saying to Charter in Madison, hey we added hockey and your fans can only see these games on our network and we need .15 per month per household more.

              No way is Charter gonna eliminate the BTN.

              Even in Milwaukee where Badger Hockey is less popular, they're going to pay more to keep football and hoops.
              I think what he's getting at is BTN revenue is split 12 ways so how do the 5 existing B1G schools do better financially than they currently are in the new B1GHC?
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              • #682
                Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                Originally posted by Gurtholfin View Post
                By saying to Charter in Madison, hey we added hockey and your fans can only see these games on our network and we need .15 per month per household more.

                No way is Charter gonna eliminate the BTN.

                Even in Milwaukee where Badger Hockey is less popular, they're going to pay more to keep football and hoops.
                They could go to Charter and say that the Big Ten offices need softer toilet paper, so you need to pay .15 more per subscriber and Charter would still do it.
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                • #683
                  Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                  Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                  You know what's more profitable than hockey? Literally building an incinerator and dumping bags of money in it.
                  When you look at those numbers they are not financial reports that compare apples to apples. They don't factor in donations & revenue indirectly tied to the programs, but they do factor in the tuition expenses and other "soft costs" for the University. For instance, throwing an extra student or two into a classroom or a dorm doesn't cost the university much if anything.

                  Most of the budgets you are looking at are designed to break even and prove that the school is Title IX compliant.

                  How many extra prospective students come to a school because of a specific sport? Depending on tuition & board ($46,000 @ DU) it adds up in a hurry.

                  And the publicity that sports brings to a school is hard to value as well.
                  Last edited by dggoddard; 03-21-2011, 05:16 PM.

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                  • #684
                    Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                    Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                    I think what he's getting at is BTN revenue is split 12 ways so how do the 5 existing B1G schools do better financially than they currently are in the new B1GHC?
                    I don't think this is driven by the 5 schools as much as it is from the conference.

                    I gotta think that these ADs have been shown something by the conference that compels them that this is in their own best interest.

                    If they didn't think it would pad their bottom line, they wouldn't be doing it.

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                    • #685
                      Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                      Originally posted by bronconick View Post
                      They could go to Charter and say that the Big Ten offices need softer toilet paper, so you need to pay .15 more per subscriber and Charter would still do it.
                      Actually, Charter was a bit slow in adopting the BTN but now that subscribers have it, it would be awfully hard to eliminate.

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                      • #686
                        Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                        Originally posted by dggoddard View Post
                        When you look at those numbers they are not financial reports that compare apples to apples. They don't factor in donations & revenue indirectly tied to the programs, but they do factor in the tuition expenses and other "soft costs" for the University. For instance, throwing an extra student or two into a classroom or a dorm doesn't cost the university much if anything.

                        Most of the budgets you are looking at are designed to break even.

                        How many extra prospective students come to a school because of a specific sport? Depending on tuition & board ($46,000 @ DU) it adds up in a hurry.

                        And the publicity that sports brings to a school is hard to value as well.
                        Possibly, I have no idea whether this includes donations. I'll do some checking.
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                        • #687
                          Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                          Originally posted by Gurtholfin View Post
                          now that subscribers have it, it would be awfully hard to eliminate.
                          The BTN = herpes?

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                          • #688
                            Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                            Originally posted by Bakunin View Post
                            The BTN = herpes?
                            Imagine having BOTH!

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                            • #689
                              Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                              Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                              You know what's more profitable than hockey? Literally building an incinerator and dumping bags of money in it.
                              This.

                              You know what's more profitable than hockey TV revenue? Literally building 5 incinerators and dumping bags of money into them.
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                              • #690
                                Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                                This.

                                You know what's more profitable than hockey TV revenue? Literally building 5 incinerators and dumping bags of money into them.
                                Instead of incinerators I would like to volunteer my checking account.
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