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  • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

    Originally posted by moose97 View Post
    Minnesota is going to confront this issue head on no matter what:

    http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArti...CLID=204974469


    It's NMU, dope.
    Dont worry, our own hockey announcer, Sarge, a few years ago called us UNM. Also, called this one school, "University of Michigan State Wolverines."
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    • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
      Minnesota fans, for the most part (and this is purely anecdotal so YMMV), don't care about OSU, PSU, or Michigan State. They care about UND, UMD, SCSU, and UW (among others). Hell, at the Michigan game this weekend, the buzz was barely there. It was NOTHING like a game against the aforementioned WCHA opponents. This is supposedly our biggest non-conference opponent and it was bereft of the atmosphere a WCHA game brings.

      While I think most Minnesotans are resigned to the fact that the BTHC is somewhat of an inevitability, this isn't going to help attendance one iota. Whether it hurts it is up for debate. I tend to lean more to the side that believes this will only hurt attendance.
      I feel the same way as a UW hockey fan. I honestly don't care about Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State & Penn State. That said, the AD's at these schools clearly don't care about what their hockey fans think. They care what the football & basketball fans who flock to see those opponents think. Getting another few thousand fans into the buildings for those opponents is the goal. Add in the added TV revenue & it's a clear win for the athletic departments as a whole. Lets face it, we'll still schedule UND and DU every year. The buildings will still be packed for those games by the traditional hockey fans.

      This whole thing could flop, but I doubt it. I'm not going to stop going to hockey games because we change conferences. I'll complain about it & be a little unhappy, but in a few years we'll have reasons to hate the new conference foes, just the same as we do the old foes. And, really, other than the aforementioned power schools, how many of us really care about the rest of the conference. St. Cloud, Duluth, Mankato, CC, etc. seem to be a factor every few years, but they're basically a generic conference opponent when they're not good (that's probably less true in Minneapolis than it is in Madison, but I'm guessing it's not a lot less true).

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      • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

        Originally posted by NMU8405 View Post
        Dont worry, our own hockey announcer, Sarge, a few years ago called us UNM. Also, called this one school, "University of Michigan State Wolverines."
        Scharge was something, wasn't he?
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        • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

          Originally posted by dvgmacdonald
          Lets face it, we'll still schedule UND and DU every year. The buildings will still be packed for those games by the traditional hockey fans.... St. Cloud, Duluth, Mankato, CC, etc. seem to be a factor every few years, but they're basically a generic conference opponent when they're not good (that's probably less true in Minneapolis than it is in Madison, but I'm guessing it's not a lot less true).
          My big fear is that many of the the players who make UND and Denver top end teams now will be jumping to the Big 10 instead, because that's going to be the best league, and where the best competition is. UND and Denver could become St. Cloud and Mankato very quickly if the WCHA and CCHA just sit there when then BT teams leave. That's why I hope we can keep the Big 10 teams as a division within the larger 24 team western structure. If we can't get agreement on that, look for DU and UND to spearhead their own rival conference, with schools like Notre Dame, Miami, CC and perhaps BG, UNO or UMD. Once the BT teams leave, it's a mediocrity sentence for the better lefotovers, and a potential death sentence for the bottom programs.

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          • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

            Originally posted by dvgmacdonald View Post
            I feel the same way as a UW hockey fan. I honestly don't care about Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State & Penn State. That said, the AD's at these schools clearly don't care about what their hockey fans think. They care what the football & basketball fans who flock to see those opponents think. Getting another few thousand fans into the buildings for those opponents is the goal. Add in the added TV revenue & it's a clear win for the athletic departments as a whole. Lets face it, we'll still schedule UND and DU every year. The buildings will still be packed for those games by the traditional hockey fans.

            This whole thing could flop, but I doubt it. I'm not going to stop going to hockey games because we change conferences. I'll complain about it & be a little unhappy, but in a few years we'll have reasons to hate the new conference foes, just the same as we do the old foes. And, really, other than the aforementioned power schools, how many of us really care about the rest of the conference. St. Cloud, Duluth, Mankato, CC, etc. seem to be a factor every few years, but they're basically a generic conference opponent when they're not good (that's probably less true in Minneapolis than it is in Madison, but I'm guessing it's not a lot less true).
            Honestly, I care more about Duluth and SCSU than I do about any Big Ten team not named Wisconsin. Hell, I care more about every WCHA team more than OSU, MSU, and PSU. Michigan falls somewhere in between.
            Code:
            As of 9/21/10:         As of 9/13/10:
            College Hockey 6       College Football 0
            BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
            Originally posted by SanTropez
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            Originally posted by bigblue_dl
            I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
            Originally posted by Kepler
            When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
            He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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            • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

              Remember, we are the die hards who have a deep emotional ties to our leagues as they are -- we are maybe 5-10% of almost any fan base at most. Most Big 10 hockey fans (40%) aren't hockey fans as much as they are Wisconsin fans or Michigan Fans. These are weekend-only hockey fans would probably prefer to see their big school taking on other big schools they know, but would go with the flow if there is no Big 10, as long as they get to see their team play on the weekends. And the third category of fans (50%) are totally casual Big 10 hoops and football fans who either haven't found hockey yet or only care about going to a hockey game if it's to play another big school. Those are the fans the BTHC is trying to convert to more steady hockey fans. These people probably don't even go to the game if their team is playing a small school.....

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              • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                If the BTHC folks really had their thinking caps on they'd just invite the two Alaska Schools to join their league.

                It's a money in the bank no brainer.

                Not that the Alaska schools would be smart to accept. They'll be much better off snagging all the mid-major's that DU is targeting for their BHHC and bringing them to their own new conference. The first to peel off DU's imagined list will be UND. The gate from 22,000 rabid fans is too sweet to pass up. How exactly is DU going to help UND make half a million dollars a year?

                Yeah ... that's what I thought.

                The BHHC is spiteful wishing.

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                • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                  Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                  Honestly, I care more about Duluth and SCSU than I do about any Big Ten team not named Wisconsin. Hell, I care more about every WCHA team more than OSU, MSU, and PSU. Michigan falls somewhere in between.
                  agree 100% with this. I care much more about the UW rivalries w/Nodak, MN, DU, also historically with CC, MTU and UMD. SCSU is a newer rivalry but has built up nicely. I couldn't really care less for seeing OSU and PSU. MSU, meh. Michigan I can get up for a bit but nothing like WCHA foes.

                  perhaps some of the fans here are correct and after 5 years of the BTHC we'll despise these "new" teams as much but really OSU/PSU don't have a history at all. that's why this will be tough. Tech (3), CC (1), DU (7), Nodak (7), MN (5) all have tremendous histories and those have been built up over 50 years really.

                  that's something a BTHC won't be able to just create out of nothing.

                  Michigan (what is it 8 or 9 titles? most before many of us were even born), MSU (2?)...it's just not the same. or at least that's my thoughts.
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                  • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                    I really don't want the BTHC but I see why the big ten schools want this (more money and TV time.)
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                    • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                      Originally posted by UWisco View Post
                      I really don't want the BTHC but I see why the big ten schools want this (more money and TV time.)
                      +1
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                      • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                        Originally posted by 4four4 View Post
                        +1
                        Where is the money going to come from? I call bull ****. They aren't expanding their subscription base, they aren't getting any national sports, and they sure as hell aren't going to sell any additional tickets.
                        Code:
                        As of 9/21/10:         As of 9/13/10:
                        College Hockey 6       College Football 0
                        BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
                        Originally posted by SanTropez
                        May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                        Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                        I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                        Originally posted by Kepler
                        When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                        He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                        • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                          Where is the money going to come from? I call bull ****. They aren't expanding their subscription base, they aren't getting any national sports, and they sure as hell aren't going to sell any additional tickets.
                          If not money than why else would the conference even think about starting up a BTHC?
                          Slap Shot - 444 might want to consider a restraining order.
                          dggoddard - Minnesota is THE ELITE Program in all of college hockey.
                          wasmania - you have to be the very best to get ice time with the great gophers!

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                          • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                            Where is the money going to come from? I call bull ****. They aren't expanding their subscription base, they aren't getting any national sports, and they sure as hell aren't going to sell any additional tickets.
                            It really isn't hard to figure out. Right now, the Big 10 Network is running re-runs every Friday night January through March of campus programming that no one watches. It is sold in some base advertising package, and the commercials can be run at any time. Insert a live hockey game, and all of a sudden, the sales reps have a BTHC package to sell in addition to the base package (and the basketball and football packages). Since the BTNetwork is showing about 5 games this year (and likely not selling it very hard), all they need to do is push the advertising when their reps go to meetings, and wow, look at that - free money...

                            Not to mention that the conference tourney revenue of the 5 BTHC schools is split with not 5 teams, but 23. Stage a BTHC tourney, and that revenue is all the Big 10's, not the WCHA or CCHA's. Pretty simple, really.
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                            AHA:
                            B1G: UMich, MSU, UMinn, Notre Dame, OSU, UWisc
                            CCHA: BSU, BG, FSU, LSSU, MSU, MTU, NMU
                            ECAC:
                            HEA: UMass
                            NCHC: Miami, UMD, UND, SCSU, WMU
                            Independant: ASU


                            Inactive: UAH, ASU, BSU, UMD, UND, NMU, Notre Dame

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                              You do realize how **** poor the ratings for college hockey are right?
                              Code:
                              As of 9/21/10:         As of 9/13/10:
                              College Hockey 6       College Football 0
                              BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
                              Originally posted by SanTropez
                              May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                              Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                              I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                              Originally posted by Kepler
                              When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                              He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                              • Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

                                Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                                You do realize how **** poor the ratings for college hockey are right?
                                Exactly. That's why the Gophers got a deal to broadcast in HD this year. That's why UMD is on TV. That's why SCSU and MSU have games on state wide. That's why BSU has a TV deal that puts them on every TV in Minnesota and North Dakota. That's why the Sioux started their own TV network. FSDetroit with the CCHA. NESN with Hockey East. That's why CBS College Sports and ESPN-U show national games of the week. That's why the NHL Network has picked up regional broadcasts for viewing in the US and Canada. Yep, all that because no one watches college hockey...
                                Current NCAA D-I rinks I've been to:

                                AHA:
                                B1G: UMich, MSU, UMinn, Notre Dame, OSU, UWisc
                                CCHA: BSU, BG, FSU, LSSU, MSU, MTU, NMU
                                ECAC:
                                HEA: UMass
                                NCHC: Miami, UMD, UND, SCSU, WMU
                                Independant: ASU


                                Inactive: UAH, ASU, BSU, UMD, UND, NMU, Notre Dame

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