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  • #31
    Re: sports socialism and hockey?

    I'm not sure socialism is the right word here, nor if one definition fits all. Cities building stadiums for billionaire owners would be reverse socialism (or neo-conservatism ). Some of these "deals" are ridiculous. Didn't Baltimore and Cleveland shell out like 300-400M for 8 home games a year? Likewise Hartford was going to shell out 1Bn for the Pats and guarantee a sellout for the next 30 years if they moved. Insane.

    But bring it down to a college hockey scale. BU built Agganis Arena to the surprise of all of us alums because the admin was anti-sports. However, as they fill the place with concerts and special events (and naming rights for the complex) it makes a lot more sense. Especially since the area was missing a mid sized arena to hold events that were too small for the Garden but too large for the various theatres around town. The Carrier Dome may have a similar function. I guess my question is if the state put up the dough, do they get some of the proceeds? They could do it to revitalize the area I suppose but I'd be a little suspect about that.
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    • #32
      Re: sports socialism and hockey?

      [QUOTE=Osorojo;4851360]
      Originally posted by jcarter7669 View Post

      Why? I assumed posters to this site know more about the circumstances of college hockey than I. Your responses cause me to despair for this assumption.

      I answered your question. Will you answer mine?

      You assume other posters know and they do, but don't be a ****ing lazy ********* and look it up for yourself. I assume someone knows how many goals BC scored last year, but I don't go over the BC thread and ask them, I search for it and find it on my own, because I know people asking easily verfiable questions ****es others off.

      Now to answer your question, A.) I already did numbnutts and B.) yes, I am sure there are public universities funded by public dollars that want to build a new arena using said monies. Are there private institutions, I don't know nor do I care to look it up, but since you clearly are interested go look up that info!!!
      Originally posted by Hokydad
      Maine will be better this year relative to rankings than BC will be this year

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      • #33
        Re: sports socialism and hockey?

        There is a website that will answer every question Osorojo could ever come up with

        and yes, even tell us what college hockey rinks were built with public funding

        Now, maybe he'll leave us alone?

        http://tinyurl.com/2364lnr/
        Current NCAA D-I rinks I've been to:

        AHA:
        B1G: UMich, MSU, UMinn, Notre Dame, OSU, UWisc
        CCHA: BSU, BG, FSU, LSSU, MSU, MTU, NMU
        ECAC:
        HEA: UMass
        NCHC: Miami, UMD, UND, SCSU, WMU
        Independant: ASU


        Inactive: UAH, ASU, BSU, UMD, UND, NMU, Notre Dame

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        • #34
          Re: sports socialism and hockey?

          Originally posted by moose97 View Post
          In this case (and most pro sports argments), I agree. If I lived in Denver pre-Rockies, I was likely looking to spend some money doing something like going to clubs, movies, museums, bowling, other pro sports or maybe minor league sports, etc. Now, rather than do that, I would be spending it on baseball.
          IIRC, the Denver Zoo took a tremendous hit when the Rockies started playing. New stadia are not as much as an increase in regional revenue as it is a redistribution of it. The only time it does pay off is when it attracts out-of-town income such as the Super Bowl or a lesser extent the Frozen Four.

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          • #35
            Re: sports socialism and hockey?

            Originally posted by moose97 View Post
            There is a website that will answer every question Osorojo could ever come up with

            and yes, even tell us what college hockey rinks were built with public funding

            Now, maybe he'll leave us alone?

            http://tinyurl.com/2364lnr/
            Hee hee - #1 result? This thread.

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            • #36
              Re: sports socialism and hockey?

              Originally posted by moose97 View Post
              There is a website that will answer every question Osorojo could ever come up with

              and yes, even tell us what college hockey rinks were built with public funding

              Now, maybe he'll leave us alone?

              http://tinyurl.com/2364lnr/
              Mr. Moose: Did you bother to go to the above site and peruse the entries? The first entry cites THIS THREAD - the one you are reading now, as the first source of information about public funding of college ice rinks! In the first two pages of your suggested source of information two publicly funded college hockey rinks are revealed- the Bemidji rink which was mentioned on this site, and the Swarthmore rink. I took a lot of abuse and spent a lot of time to get one name, but thanks, anyway.

              I'm curious. Who's "us" and "we?" Have you got a mouse in your pocket, or has someone granted you permission to speak for everyone else who posts on this site? [Maybe you have a secret club, with elections and handshakes and such. Cool.] Where can I find documentation for this extraordinary license you have assumed?
              Again I ask why you and the "we" and "us" you speak for meddle in a thread which you proclaim is senseless and started by someone "we" and "us" proclaim is even more senseless? You do realize that if your judgment of this thread is accurate you are more a fool to waste your time reading and responding to it? That goes for your "we" and "us" too.

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              • #37
                Re: sports socialism and hockey?

                I find it hard to believe that someone from Cornell can be such a dumb ***.

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                • #38
                  Re: sports socialism and hockey?

                  Originally posted by HoosierBBall_GopherHockey View Post
                  I find it hard to believe that someone from Cornell can be such a dumb ***.
                  Why? All Cornell students/alums are "real" Ivy School rejects.
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                  • #39
                    Re: sports socialism and hockey?

                    Originally posted by Osorojo View Post
                    Across the U.S. multi-million dollar sports venues are being built with taxpayers' money, usually without a vote to obtain the consent of the taxpayers. This practice is not restricted to professional sports stadiums, or even to state colleges.
                    For example, the dome where Syracuse University (a private university) plays its home basketball and football games was partly financed with taxes through the New York State Dormitory Authority (??!).
                    Speculation abounds about the addition of hockey programs at DI colleges. Stadiums with hockey rinks cost a whole lot of money to build. The crash of 2008 remains unresolved, and cries for spending cuts and tax cuts resound across our land. Do plans currently exist to build new college hockey arenas with public taxes?

                    [BTW: The fact that you, like me, are ignorant of any such a plan doesn't mean diddly. Instead of proclaiming your ignorance is proof of the innocence of all college hockey schools [and wannabe college hockey schools] please wait long enough for proof of the contrary to be produced, if such proof exists.
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                    • #40
                      Re: sports socialism and hockey?

                      Originally posted by Osorojo View Post
                      Mr. Moose: Did you bother to go to the above site and peruse the entries? The first entry cites THIS THREAD - the one you are reading now, as the first source of information about public funding of college ice rinks! In the first two pages of your suggested source of information two publicly funded college hockey rinks are revealed- the Bemidji rink which was mentioned on this site, and the Swarthmore rink. I took a lot of abuse and spent a lot of time to get one name, but thanks, anyway.
                      Is this your first time using the interweb?

                      BTW (that stands for By The Way) Bemidji is a public school and as such use of public funds would make sense...at least to the rest of us.

                      Originally posted by Osorojo View Post
                      I'm curious. Who's "us" and "we?" Have you got a mouse in your pocket, or has someone granted you permission to speak for everyone else who posts on this site? [Maybe you have a secret club, with elections and handshakes and such. Cool.] Where can I find documentation for this extraordinary license you have assumed?
                      That's right, I grant him permission to speak for me whenever he responds to you...
                      Originally posted by Hokydad
                      Maine will be better this year relative to rankings than BC will be this year

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                      • #41
                        Re: sports socialism and hockey?

                        Originally posted by Osorojo View Post
                        Across the U.S. multi-million dollar sports venues are being built with taxpayers' money, usually without a vote to obtain the consent of the taxpayers. This practice is not restricted to professional sports stadiums, or even to state colleges.
                        For example, the dome where Syracuse University (a private university) plays its home basketball and football games was partly financed with taxes through the New York State Dormitory Authority (??!).
                        Speculation abounds about the addition of hockey programs at DI colleges. Stadiums with hockey rinks cost a whole lot of money to build. The crash of 2008 remains unresolved, and cries for spending cuts and tax cuts resound across our land. Do plans currently exist to build new college hockey arenas with public taxes?

                        [BTW: The fact that you, like me, are ignorant of any such a plan doesn't mean diddly. Instead of proclaiming your ignorance is proof of the innocence of all college hockey schools [and wannabe college hockey schools] please wait long enough for proof of the contrary to be produced, if such proof exists.
                        I think you should start posting in the politics threads in the cafe.

                        Instead of Rover and his pop psychology, bob and red cloud keeping said psychologist employed, and scooby telling us we're all doomed, we can focus on your rambling incoherent posts.
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                        College Hockey 6       College Football 0
                        BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
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                        • #42
                          Re: sports socialism and hockey?

                          Originally posted by HoosierBBall_GopherHockey View Post
                          I find it hard to believe that someone from Cornell can be such a dumb ***.
                          This is sarcasm right?
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                          As of 9/21/10:         As of 9/13/10:
                          College Hockey 6       College Football 0
                          BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
                          Originally posted by SanTropez
                          May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                          Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                          I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                          Originally posted by Kepler
                          When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                          He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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